I think your views on parasites are significantly more extreme than mine, which of course is fine, as long as we exchange views and make up our own minds!! I am of the opinion that parasites need to be eliminated, in a way that is harmonious to the body.
I think your views on parasites are significantly more extreme than mine, which of course is fine, as long as we exchange views and make up our own minds!! I am of the opinion that parasites need to be eliminated, in a way that is harmonious to the body.
Extreme? How is it extreme to look at nature as a helper instead of an invader?
We all currently have ecoli in our digestive system and strep in our throats. They are a part of our microbiome and only become a problem when they're working on an issue, such as tissue damage like in strep.
Same with parasites.
I used to be a believer of getting rid of parasites. A decade ago I did numerous parasite cleanses with natural herbs and supplements like oregano and caprylic acid. I would feel better for a while only to drop back into the low energy state that I did the detox for.
The others in the forum that used pharmaceutical drugs to detox had bad side effects and rebounded quicker than using the natural routes. The belief at the time was that these herxhimer reactions were good, that the body was getting rid of toxins.
Later on, some found studies where during this period of die off, levels of toxins were very high in the body! Yikes!
Those drugs were too quick to kill the parasites, leaving the heavy metals in the body instead of giving it time.
If I were to do it again, I would do it very slowly with the natural stuff. Rushing the detox or kill off can cause more issues.
Where I agree with you wholeheartedly is that the elimination of pathogenic organisms needs to be done thoughtfully, at a correct pace, and in combination with harmonizing measures. Detox can be dangerous if done too fast. So i am grateful to you for bringing up this point, even though our conclusions are polar opposite!
Let me respond with a metaphor. If you have a robber with a gun in your house, there is probably a spiritual lesson in that, and maybe the lesson is that you need to use better locks, but if you have that robber there this very second, it is certainly better for him to leave and take as little of your stuff as possible, right? And you may still need to change the locks, and maybe move to a different neighborhood if robbery happens all the time where you are.... but it is still better if he leaves! :)
I am very much at peace with disagreeing. Nature is our home, it offers different lessons, sometime the lesson is to learn how to send the invaders away in the best way for the person!
And of course, I always respect the fact that you have your own path and experience, and you are fully entitled to disagreeing with me, just like I am fully entitled to disagreeing with you! Hugs!
Thank you, Rob, I wholeheartedly disagree! Yeah on a high philosophical level the things that cause us problems have a role to play, and dealing with them may lead us to a better place at the end of the day, but it does not make them "friends." I think that if the goal is promotion of health, it does not help to promote the idea about how parasites are good for us, they are not. They may "absorb" heavy metals but they also can cause tremendous problems, it is more like the presence of heavy metals helps them thrive, and their thriving is detrimental to the host usually, either a little bit or a lot. That said, I greatly respect our ability to debate those things and disagree and think from the inside, hugs to you and to Betsy who wrote the article!
Yes, but aren't the heavy metals causing the sickness whether there's parasites or not?
It's like the COVID shotsтАж. Years before mRna and spike protein they had issues with the lipids (same used today).
Perhaps the spike protein is the result of the lipids clogging things up and not the cause.
It's ok we disagree. I just hope that we eventually discover the truth in medicine because right now the backwards interpretation of results vs causes of diseases leads to obfuscation of what would really help stop the issues!
It seems like we kinda agree that there are multiple factors that work together in a complex manner! I think in general, a human body can deal with some amount of poison just fine, it's the combination of multiple factors that make things harder to deal with! And I believe that heavy metals aren't good for us as such, and same is true for pathogenic organisms that aren't just "sitting still" (which most of them either don't to from the start, or stop doing when the immunity drops). And yes, the more accurate our knowledge is, the better for everyone!
Oh and bacteria most definitely can cause disease. They just recently hospitalized a bunch of people in Moscow because some restaurant was selling a Georgian dish contaminated with Clostridium botulinum, a bacterium whose toxin can lead to paralysis of the lungs, in which case unfortunately the infected person needs urgent help or departs this world. it is the toxin they use in botox, allegedly. So, I am not sure why anyone would claim that bacteria can't cause disease, I leave in the realm of free speech. But I don't have to agree with the things that go against the evidence of my eyes! :-)
Yes, the toxic metabolites of those bacteria can cause sickness just like mold!
I remember an article about smallpox and how sanitation was what helped reduce the toxic load of bacteria and fungus that fed on the manure they used to leave on the streets and in alleyways.
Meanwhile, the smallpox inoculations increased sickness.
It's amazing how long cities and towns went without clean water and people were cramped in small apartments and they focused on a bacteria instead of those horrid conditions!
LOL, our conversations always seem to come to the same point, i.e. why is there a need to pick ONE cause and not pay attention to ALL OF THEM? :-)
PS. You said, "Yes, the toxic metabolites of those bacteria can cause sickness just like mold!" So does it mean then bacteria can, in fact, cause disease? :)
And if so, then it would be factually incorrect to claim that bacteria can't cause disease in humans?
And if so, would we benefit from focusing not on talking points but on practical measures that are based on facts of nature and our circumstance at this moment? Striving for a world without toxins is great. I strive for it.. But it is not likely to show up any time soon!! And so we need to do things as they apply to our life here and now and address all factors that we have the power to address, as much as possible?
I think your views on parasites are significantly more extreme than mine, which of course is fine, as long as we exchange views and make up our own minds!! I am of the opinion that parasites need to be eliminated, in a way that is harmonious to the body.
Extreme? How is it extreme to look at nature as a helper instead of an invader?
We all currently have ecoli in our digestive system and strep in our throats. They are a part of our microbiome and only become a problem when they're working on an issue, such as tissue damage like in strep.
Same with parasites.
I used to be a believer of getting rid of parasites. A decade ago I did numerous parasite cleanses with natural herbs and supplements like oregano and caprylic acid. I would feel better for a while only to drop back into the low energy state that I did the detox for.
The others in the forum that used pharmaceutical drugs to detox had bad side effects and rebounded quicker than using the natural routes. The belief at the time was that these herxhimer reactions were good, that the body was getting rid of toxins.
Later on, some found studies where during this period of die off, levels of toxins were very high in the body! Yikes!
Those drugs were too quick to kill the parasites, leaving the heavy metals in the body instead of giving it time.
If I were to do it again, I would do it very slowly with the natural stuff. Rushing the detox or kill off can cause more issues.
Where I agree with you wholeheartedly is that the elimination of pathogenic organisms needs to be done thoughtfully, at a correct pace, and in combination with harmonizing measures. Detox can be dangerous if done too fast. So i am grateful to you for bringing up this point, even though our conclusions are polar opposite!
Let me respond with a metaphor. If you have a robber with a gun in your house, there is probably a spiritual lesson in that, and maybe the lesson is that you need to use better locks, but if you have that robber there this very second, it is certainly better for him to leave and take as little of your stuff as possible, right? And you may still need to change the locks, and maybe move to a different neighborhood if robbery happens all the time where you are.... but it is still better if he leaves! :)
I am very much at peace with disagreeing. Nature is our home, it offers different lessons, sometime the lesson is to learn how to send the invaders away in the best way for the person!
And of course, I always respect the fact that you have your own path and experience, and you are fully entitled to disagreeing with me, just like I am fully entitled to disagreeing with you! Hugs!
I forgot to mention this article which clarifies the idea.
https://open.substack.com/pub/barn0346/p/parasites-friend-or-foe?
Thank you, Rob, I wholeheartedly disagree! Yeah on a high philosophical level the things that cause us problems have a role to play, and dealing with them may lead us to a better place at the end of the day, but it does not make them "friends." I think that if the goal is promotion of health, it does not help to promote the idea about how parasites are good for us, they are not. They may "absorb" heavy metals but they also can cause tremendous problems, it is more like the presence of heavy metals helps them thrive, and their thriving is detrimental to the host usually, either a little bit or a lot. That said, I greatly respect our ability to debate those things and disagree and think from the inside, hugs to you and to Betsy who wrote the article!
Yes, but aren't the heavy metals causing the sickness whether there's parasites or not?
It's like the COVID shotsтАж. Years before mRna and spike protein they had issues with the lipids (same used today).
Perhaps the spike protein is the result of the lipids clogging things up and not the cause.
It's ok we disagree. I just hope that we eventually discover the truth in medicine because right now the backwards interpretation of results vs causes of diseases leads to obfuscation of what would really help stop the issues!
It seems like we kinda agree that there are multiple factors that work together in a complex manner! I think in general, a human body can deal with some amount of poison just fine, it's the combination of multiple factors that make things harder to deal with! And I believe that heavy metals aren't good for us as such, and same is true for pathogenic organisms that aren't just "sitting still" (which most of them either don't to from the start, or stop doing when the immunity drops). And yes, the more accurate our knowledge is, the better for everyone!
Oh and bacteria most definitely can cause disease. They just recently hospitalized a bunch of people in Moscow because some restaurant was selling a Georgian dish contaminated with Clostridium botulinum, a bacterium whose toxin can lead to paralysis of the lungs, in which case unfortunately the infected person needs urgent help or departs this world. it is the toxin they use in botox, allegedly. So, I am not sure why anyone would claim that bacteria can't cause disease, I leave in the realm of free speech. But I don't have to agree with the things that go against the evidence of my eyes! :-)
Yes, the toxic metabolites of those bacteria can cause sickness just like mold!
I remember an article about smallpox and how sanitation was what helped reduce the toxic load of bacteria and fungus that fed on the manure they used to leave on the streets and in alleyways.
Meanwhile, the smallpox inoculations increased sickness.
It's amazing how long cities and towns went without clean water and people were cramped in small apartments and they focused on a bacteria instead of those horrid conditions!
Oh an innoculations are another matter altogether...
LOL, our conversations always seem to come to the same point, i.e. why is there a need to pick ONE cause and not pay attention to ALL OF THEM? :-)
PS. You said, "Yes, the toxic metabolites of those bacteria can cause sickness just like mold!" So does it mean then bacteria can, in fact, cause disease? :)
And if so, then it would be factually incorrect to claim that bacteria can't cause disease in humans?
And if so, would we benefit from focusing not on talking points but on practical measures that are based on facts of nature and our circumstance at this moment? Striving for a world without toxins is great. I strive for it.. But it is not likely to show up any time soon!! And so we need to do things as they apply to our life here and now and address all factors that we have the power to address, as much as possible?