I will await. And btw, I really enjoyed your interview of JJ and your theory of toxoplasmosis. It definitely made me think.
And if I can frame my question more specifically, it's not whether RM is part of the CIA, which we would never know if he was. It's whether his aggressive and litigious reactions to legitimate questions about his past should disqualify him as speaker for the MFM--along with statements that he's not anti-vax 'by any means', thinks the mRNA may have been stored at the wrong temp, making it more toxic, and that there's 'nothing nefarious going on.' Those are statements everyone I know in the MFM disagrees with.
Thank you, Tereza!! I greatly appreciate you always, you think from the inside, and it's the most important thing. We may come to similar or different conclusions depending on the situation but I think the point is to think from the inside. And that book you recommended, wow!!
Now, when it comes to this rift, I am pretty sure that both sides are manipulated. As a result of that division, we are split into camps, and the splits are continuing.. Not good!!
Let me talk about it from the perspective of the bigger picture. What is a great gift that Robert has that is very good for the world? He can use his mainstream credentials to make the people on the mainstream side listen to him. I remember when he just appeared on the scene, that was the major thing. I remember some of my friends in the mainstream suddenly paying attention. And remember, different echo chambers use different language, and a phrase such as "I am not an anti-vaxxer" that is sometimes used against Robert is a perfectly fine phrase, especially if you want to build bridges with those who have been duped in the past 2-3 years. (For the sake of precision, I don't even know if it's a real quote, and it obviously matters, but it's going around, so I am using it as an example). So. What would the alphabets want in that situation? What would you do if you were in the alphabets and wanted to take him out? You would want to remove his ability to build bridges and you would want to discredit him for both sides, both in the mainstream as an anti-vaxxer, and in the MFM as a not-an-anti-vaxxer-enough. All those things are very complex, and conflicts are planted routinely, And yes, it involves personality flaws. Both the Breggins and Robert Malone acted very angrily and irrationally, and we can ask, why is that? Why is it that they suddenly started acting like somebody poisoned their soup, and as a result, the vibe in the entire movement got unproductive, tormented and angry? Why is that? And that is kind of what my poem is about. it's about the forces that are lurking on the background and confusing things. And all parties to the conflict are responsible for their actions (and have the responsibility to come to their senses), and the people doing ugly manipulation behind the scenes, while pretending to be on our side, carry the responsibility for their intentions and actions. And that is all very complex, and very non-linear, but each of us also has the responsibility for our own actions and choices, and I have found that being focused on clarity and even-headedness is a very good practical choice. In other words, I don't think Malone is CO. I think he is being targeted, and he is helping his enemies, I think same is true for the Breggins. And I appreciate the good work all of them have done.
I appreciate you writing 'war and peace' ;-) There are times when I know someone and I will never agree, and I write for the audience. I never do that with you. I feel that you and I are coming from the same intentions and neither of us is operating out of ego. So I write specifically to you, who cares about understanding the truth of the matter as much as me.
Robert writes "I am by no means an anti-vaxxer" on p.6 of his book, so that's not a misquote. I've published a lot about the lives Robert could have saved, if he'd spoken out about his study showing mRNA was too dangerous to be even tested on humans, or if he'd used the $25M he was given to test HCQ rather than pepcid AC. He could have saved everyone who's been killed or injured by the vaccine or even Covid. That seems a legitimate point being raised, to which he's responding by labeling myself and the others raising it 'assholes'.
Until recently, I hadn't researched the origins of the rift with the Breggins and, like you, figuring both sides jumped to emotional arguments. And then I read their initial posts on Desmet's theory, and saw how well-reasoned they were. They completely gave Robert the benefit of the doubt. They wrote: "We hope Malone is unaware of and will now disavow DesmetтАЩs psychiatric labeling and undermining of researchers and writers who are investigating globally organized assaults on humanity, and the accusation that we cause mass psychoses. This is unjust to the researchers and writers and can only protect those behind the increasing power of the global totalitarian institutions."
He responded by calling those people 'black-pilled' conspiracy theorists. They write: "Malone has now declared that the conservative movement can be divided into two groups. The тАЬokayтАЭ group consists of those who have been тАЬred-pilledтАЭ into their beliefs. But the supposed extremists, like those who examine or witness conspiracies, have been тАЬblack pilled.тАЭ It is an ugly accusation. It demeans those who thoughtfully examine the roots of totalitarianism and encourages those who wish to ridicule and condemn them."
It took four exchanges with direct appeals before the Breggins started wondering if Robert responding to their professional points with insults was intentional. I quote from their essays and link to them in this episode: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-the-breggins-part-one.
Please show me one thing they say that's angry or irrational. To say that there are two sides to this and they're both wrong sounds like the argument I hear about Israel and Palestine. I know that you don't want to hurt their reputation. Please let me know how they could have resolved the situation.
Should they have not defended people by showing how they were manipulated and forced, not 'psychotic' and self-deluding? To me, that's the greatest bridge we have to make sense of this and bring people together to make sure this can never happen again.
Oh you just helped me realize an important thing. I think that we fall into brainy analysis of people when we feel smaller than we actually are, thanks to all different abuses we've been on the receiving end of. It's almost like protection. We elevate ourselves by using our ability to dismantle and criticize. And then when we feel fully entitled to goodness, we want to fix and heal. And this is not a property of this human being or that human being (predators not included, they make different choices altogether). It is a state. And I pray for a world in which all of us fully connect to our greatness and always have our hearts and hands on the healing, automatically.
For example, would it have been nice if, say, Robert, credited the humble me for writing about the great reset before he did? Yeah it would have been nice But I don't care enough, I care that he does his job well. And would it have been nice if Desmet got back to me when I reached out to him to interview him? Yeah it would have been nice. But I don't care enough. I want the world to be beautiful. I remember when the main feeling for me as an artist was that my (oviously genius, lol) message was not finding ears, and I tried, and tried, and tried, and tried. and was just tormented over it. And then I stopped being tormented, and I don't know how. I just focused on the service. And so, taking it back to the conflict between the Breggins and Malone, I care about fixing the broken parts. I don't think any of them are CO, i think they are just imperfect human beings, and hopefully they will learn, too. That is what my prayer is for.
Thank you for a thought-provoking exchange, Tereza!!
I'm so sorry, Tessa, but I'm again confused. Who feels smaller and who's been abused? The Breggins? Me? JJ Couey? Mathew Crawford? Diana West? Sage Hana? Paul Alexander? These are a few of the people presenting the anomalies in Robert's past. But the most important question is what direction he's steering the movement.
If you look at this as a healer, a doctor, you can't just numb the symptoms and call it good. You need to find the cause. You're ruling out that Robert could be still representing the interests for which he worked his entire career. Others are looking at and weighing the evidence.
If I had an ego, it would be more important that you like me and think well of me. At one time, I wanted that from Robert--he had subbed me and often liked my comments. It wasn't him ignoring me that caused me to question him. It was the evidence I couldn't ignore. And I had to give up my ego and decide it was okay if he didn't like me ... really didn't like me. And since I was almost alone at the time, and saying he was not who he said, that was scary. You've helped me have the courage to do it, even if you didn't want the result ;-)
Sorry, I was typing at a hundred miles an hour in a "stream of consciousness" mode. :) I was talking about the Malidoma Some reference I mentioned and not anyone in particular.
Also, I was not debating your article or defending any of my own on the topic. I was observing it unfold in real rime between semi-private exchanges and postings, and it was not a natural occurrence. What I am trying to say is that the Breggins and Robert need our help. We need to focus on prayer for clarity and healing, it doesn't matter who said what, people say stupid things when they are off balance and especially when they are helped into acting self-destructive. it's a philosophical matter but also a very practical natter. They need our help, and if we can focus on prayer for clarity and spiritually clear and good resolution, we will do a fantastic job all together toward the victory against the tyrants of the world.
Tessa...donтАЩt be an apologist for bad behavior in the name of being an advocate of love in the world. Sometimes tough love is necessary to ensure that true love is not corrupted by those who would exploit oneтАЩs desire to believe in hood to the point of ignoring trouble, evil, ill intent or malfeasance in oneтАЩs midst.
Should we not, on your premise of get along to go along embrace Fauci?
How is it at this point that so many have come to know of FauciтАЩs lies? Even Malone claiming to only recently have come to see the lies?
Was it not through questioning and trying to reconcile experience and facts with what we are told?
In part, you are suggesting that once the freedom movement was established we must embrace any and all that grab the label and attach it to them in the name of what is good and just? But isnтАЩt that exactly what the likes of Gares, Schwaub, Soros, Fauci et al did in the name of public health?
Sorry. No offense intended but it begins to feel like that you are asking us to surrender our critical thinking skills at perhaps the most critical hour in this battle and to simply trust our fate to those who claim to be doing good for our benefit.
Think of it like this....I was awake before Malone about the mRNA vaccines and the danger they presented.....so why should I defer to him? Why should I thank him and be grateful for what he brings to the table....so far, especially compared to others in the MFM, he has brought very little of any new information to my awareness. I mean that sincerely....I have learned little from him.
Second, I ask questions and stay vigilant because of my love and caution for my fellow man....not who or a need to agitate. I am a mom....that compels me. And as I learned in the education space....the moms are operating from the purest form of love in rooting out what may harm or compromise the health and well being of our children. And having been on the receiving end of the patriarchal and mysogynystic behaviors that have allowed the world to evolve from a place of power and control....like Tereza....your seeming acceptance of the тАЬflawedтАЭ personalities (is that all it really is? ) and insistence that it is best to go along to get along....is beyond concerning knowing what is at stake.
Finally, Malone himself has exhibited repeatedly this air of it was all just s colossal blunder of small minded bureaucrats and we need to love our neighbor to heal....yeah, sorry....that was a tell for me nearly 6 months ago.
Do you ever wonder if Malone will be the new head of the FDA especially if Kennedy were to succeed? I do, and the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach. CanтАЩt even explain....but my stomach has saved my life on more than one occasion when following the experts would have virtually guaranteed my premature death.
Your explanation is so beautiful, Laura. It humbles me. And your 'authority' as a mother makes it clear what's at stake and why we can't let men take our inner knowledge away from us.
When you mentioned "having been on the receiving end of the patriarchal and mysogynystic behaviors that have allowed the world to evolve from a place of power and control....like Tereza" I didn't know if you'd seen my recent post on toxic masculinity that's stolen my term 'tonic masculinity' and applied it to them: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-twisting-of-tonic-masculinity. I'm doing a follow-up to that today and I'd like to quote from your comment. I think it ties together the different threads and illustrates what's at stake, and that I'm not looking to agitate in either case.
Thank you, Tereza. Feel free to use the quote. Please correct any misspellings. ЁЯШЙ Autocorrect and my fingertips are not always my friends.
I very much appreciated your back and forth with Tessa. I appreciate the space of positivity and love that drives Tessa. I respect it. And I know in my heart that I am driven from a similar space.
But I also know from my own experience in the trenches (began actively participating in the current battle pre-pandemic in the education space) efforts to meet others from a genuine place of respect and love for mankind, in an effort to enhance understanding was often exploited. I did not just go to school board meetings and explodeтАж.I asked questions and my concern grew proportionately as attempts were made to say the questions were not legitimate, then it was attempts to shame or humiliateтАж.for purposes of silencing you (тАЬhow dare you question my authority or expertiseтАЭтАФ-so over that at this pointтАжI dare because it is my god given right and they are not entitled to my deference until and when I decide to give it and accept their authority. And when it comes to my kidsтАЩ futureтАж.IтАЩll keep asking the messy and hard questions that some do not want to answer. And where is the respect for what drives those of us to ask the questions? Where is the understanding relative to the price we have paid in the past three years? ) .
I persistedтАж.then there was the misleading and misrepresentingтАж.Finally, I had to learn to stand firm in my instincts and pursue truth nonetheless. And that meant going toe to toe with those who did not want to have to answer to the public. I had to learn it was ok as a woman to get angry, ignore the suggestion that I was being unladylike or not respectful. The ironyтАж.those who were demanding I be тАЬpositiveтАЭ in interactions were anything but that themselves.
I had to learn the hard way that sometimes standing your ground (is loveтАж.love for oneself and a desire to protect the future for oneтАЩs family) and not letting the forces who want to control us bank on your being positive and conciliatory in efforts to enhance understandingтАж.because they quickly will exploit it or misdirect oneтАЩs search for truth and accountability.
Maybe my problem is I am a hardened warrior at this point. But when other warriors want a right to be hardened (thin skinned, victim because they are тАШgivingтАЩ so much for me ЁЯЩД, are misunderstood, yada, yada, yada) and at the same time use that as the excuse for attacking one тАж.cause тАЬyour not playing niceтАЭ when you ask fair questions and get less than satisfying answersтАж.Well, it gives me pause. And IтАЩm not interested in apologizing for my instincts. Instincts are the tools of survival.
So at this point for me, the suggestion one is not тАЬoperating by and through loveтАЭ because they ask questions or require accountability from their fellow human being in matters that affect us allтАж.well, that is treacherous territory today, IMO. It also plays into that male dominance aspect of power that is a common theme and thread through the deadly and totalitarian actions that are manifesting locally, nationally and globally todayтАж.all in the name of тАЬdiversity, equity and inclusion.тАЭ
Sorry, my thoughts are a bit jumbled this morningтАж.but I suspect you get my point. And I may need to now check out your substack. I like your style and approach. A gentle and firm warrior!!! But a warrior all the same.
I am very happy to see that you made friends!! That's the best part about comments, when people connect and find camaraderie. We can argue about things all day but when I see people connecting, it makes me just so delighted. Yay!
Your experience was the same as mine. At first I ignored it, because I wanted to believe. Then I realized....I was actively refusing to look closer because I did not want to see.
In short, the community needs healing. Our egos are not important, but it's important to focus on the healing, and do it together. It's a very difficult thing to do but courthouse-style 5D chess analysis, in my experience, makes it near impossible. And personally, I don't care to be an "expert." I want us to heal. That's what matters. We have mighty brains but we are not our brains, we are a lot more than that!!
Tereza, thank you for speaking your mind, and I appreciate the mutual respect!! Let me ask you then, do you remember how it all unfolded, and the low blows against Matias and then Robert? Do you remember the very beginning of it? I remember that, and I found it deeply disturbing. There are reasonable ways to disagree with a psychological theory, (although perhaps in the middle of the battle is not the best time for such things), and ways that look like someone thinks they are chasing out the devil while in fact.... Anyway, I thought it was very tragic, and it looked manipulated. I, for one, don't think that even the attack on Desmet's theory was justified, and I have expressed my opinion multiple times. It's a theory. Take it or leave it. Who cares. The Breggins projected their fears on it but it was more of a projection, in my opinion. They are good people. They made fear-based choices, and it snowballed to where we are. And of course there is nothing great about the lawsuit, nothing at all! But Robert didn't start it. And in the end, we have to think about the big picture and the usefulness of everything for the community. Who wins from this bad behavior on everybody's side? The alphabets, that's who. And surely, they had something to do with starting it, I have no doubt.
Have you read Malidoma Some, by the way? There is a lot about the responsibility of the community when people start messing up. I come from that place. I don't care who is right or wrong, we need to stand tall and think about healing as opposed to court house.
But I'm confused, Tessa. My article quotes from the Breggins and links to the four articles that started it all. Please show me what you consider to be a low blow against Matias and then Robert. I've read these in depth and they seem like exactly what you're saying--a reasonable disagreement with a psychological theory. I don't see anything that seems like chasing out the devil. Please include quotes, all the sources from the Breggins are in my article. If I had only read Robert's side, I may have thought that, but as soon as I went to the actual sources, I realized I'd been misled.
How are you sure that you know the entire scope of this lamentable conflict, and how do you know there there was nothing else happening? On my end, I usually advise to everyone (including myself) to say even-headed, open-minded, and focused on the honest truth, whether it turns out to be what I think it is, or something else. xoxo
like what else? do you want me to post certain of his articles here? have you read them? i know a predator when i see one. the lamentable conflict as you call it is the conflict between deep state vivisectionists and we the people. the proles, the plebes, the dummies, the lab rats.
Well,, if I wanted to start a courthouse about Malone and Breggins, I would have done that. What I did though was posting a poem guarding against individuals who no one may suspect who are doing the work of division. And that is what I want to keep the focus on, on this page. Goes without saying, each of us makes up our own idea of the world, whom we like, whom we dislike, I just caution against getting carried away (because usually when that happens, good people make fools out of themselves. Whenever somebody starts acting like they are "casting out the devil," madness ensues, and it never fails. Now. I am perfectly cool, on every topic, in every case, with people making up their own minds as they wish. I respect you regardless of whether we have arrived at the same conclusion on this, or not. I am not looking to get engaged into yet another round of "he said, she said." My focus is elsewhere, and of course, you are welcome to post anything you like. But I have a well-formed opinion, and I am convinced that both sides (and many of us) have been played. Sometimes things are not black and white at all! And there is a big difference between a sincere human being with a unique story an imperfections and a predator. Big, big difference. That is my opinion, and I stand by it based on giving it a rather thorough investigation of my own.
how true, i been played, you been played, we all been played. so who's strumming the guitar? nobody knows. or could be, everybody knows but nobody tells.
And with that....we are all absolved and no accountability. Sure feels like where we have been for the better part of three years. Guess it is unreasonable to work towards real change, best to just all get along. Embrace the new round of experts until they gleefully lead us astray.
Tereza, I will respond in detail, need to step out for a sec but I'll write a war and peace when I come back. :) xoxoxo
I will await. And btw, I really enjoyed your interview of JJ and your theory of toxoplasmosis. It definitely made me think.
And if I can frame my question more specifically, it's not whether RM is part of the CIA, which we would never know if he was. It's whether his aggressive and litigious reactions to legitimate questions about his past should disqualify him as speaker for the MFM--along with statements that he's not anti-vax 'by any means', thinks the mRNA may have been stored at the wrong temp, making it more toxic, and that there's 'nothing nefarious going on.' Those are statements everyone I know in the MFM disagrees with.
Thank you, Tereza!! I greatly appreciate you always, you think from the inside, and it's the most important thing. We may come to similar or different conclusions depending on the situation but I think the point is to think from the inside. And that book you recommended, wow!!
Now, when it comes to this rift, I am pretty sure that both sides are manipulated. As a result of that division, we are split into camps, and the splits are continuing.. Not good!!
Let me talk about it from the perspective of the bigger picture. What is a great gift that Robert has that is very good for the world? He can use his mainstream credentials to make the people on the mainstream side listen to him. I remember when he just appeared on the scene, that was the major thing. I remember some of my friends in the mainstream suddenly paying attention. And remember, different echo chambers use different language, and a phrase such as "I am not an anti-vaxxer" that is sometimes used against Robert is a perfectly fine phrase, especially if you want to build bridges with those who have been duped in the past 2-3 years. (For the sake of precision, I don't even know if it's a real quote, and it obviously matters, but it's going around, so I am using it as an example). So. What would the alphabets want in that situation? What would you do if you were in the alphabets and wanted to take him out? You would want to remove his ability to build bridges and you would want to discredit him for both sides, both in the mainstream as an anti-vaxxer, and in the MFM as a not-an-anti-vaxxer-enough. All those things are very complex, and conflicts are planted routinely, And yes, it involves personality flaws. Both the Breggins and Robert Malone acted very angrily and irrationally, and we can ask, why is that? Why is it that they suddenly started acting like somebody poisoned their soup, and as a result, the vibe in the entire movement got unproductive, tormented and angry? Why is that? And that is kind of what my poem is about. it's about the forces that are lurking on the background and confusing things. And all parties to the conflict are responsible for their actions (and have the responsibility to come to their senses), and the people doing ugly manipulation behind the scenes, while pretending to be on our side, carry the responsibility for their intentions and actions. And that is all very complex, and very non-linear, but each of us also has the responsibility for our own actions and choices, and I have found that being focused on clarity and even-headedness is a very good practical choice. In other words, I don't think Malone is CO. I think he is being targeted, and he is helping his enemies, I think same is true for the Breggins. And I appreciate the good work all of them have done.
I appreciate you writing 'war and peace' ;-) There are times when I know someone and I will never agree, and I write for the audience. I never do that with you. I feel that you and I are coming from the same intentions and neither of us is operating out of ego. So I write specifically to you, who cares about understanding the truth of the matter as much as me.
Robert writes "I am by no means an anti-vaxxer" on p.6 of his book, so that's not a misquote. I've published a lot about the lives Robert could have saved, if he'd spoken out about his study showing mRNA was too dangerous to be even tested on humans, or if he'd used the $25M he was given to test HCQ rather than pepcid AC. He could have saved everyone who's been killed or injured by the vaccine or even Covid. That seems a legitimate point being raised, to which he's responding by labeling myself and the others raising it 'assholes'.
Until recently, I hadn't researched the origins of the rift with the Breggins and, like you, figuring both sides jumped to emotional arguments. And then I read their initial posts on Desmet's theory, and saw how well-reasoned they were. They completely gave Robert the benefit of the doubt. They wrote: "We hope Malone is unaware of and will now disavow DesmetтАЩs psychiatric labeling and undermining of researchers and writers who are investigating globally organized assaults on humanity, and the accusation that we cause mass psychoses. This is unjust to the researchers and writers and can only protect those behind the increasing power of the global totalitarian institutions."
He responded by calling those people 'black-pilled' conspiracy theorists. They write: "Malone has now declared that the conservative movement can be divided into two groups. The тАЬokayтАЭ group consists of those who have been тАЬred-pilledтАЭ into their beliefs. But the supposed extremists, like those who examine or witness conspiracies, have been тАЬblack pilled.тАЭ It is an ugly accusation. It demeans those who thoughtfully examine the roots of totalitarianism and encourages those who wish to ridicule and condemn them."
It took four exchanges with direct appeals before the Breggins started wondering if Robert responding to their professional points with insults was intentional. I quote from their essays and link to them in this episode: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-the-breggins-part-one.
Please show me one thing they say that's angry or irrational. To say that there are two sides to this and they're both wrong sounds like the argument I hear about Israel and Palestine. I know that you don't want to hurt their reputation. Please let me know how they could have resolved the situation.
Should they have not defended people by showing how they were manipulated and forced, not 'psychotic' and self-deluding? To me, that's the greatest bridge we have to make sense of this and bring people together to make sure this can never happen again.
Oh you just helped me realize an important thing. I think that we fall into brainy analysis of people when we feel smaller than we actually are, thanks to all different abuses we've been on the receiving end of. It's almost like protection. We elevate ourselves by using our ability to dismantle and criticize. And then when we feel fully entitled to goodness, we want to fix and heal. And this is not a property of this human being or that human being (predators not included, they make different choices altogether). It is a state. And I pray for a world in which all of us fully connect to our greatness and always have our hearts and hands on the healing, automatically.
For example, would it have been nice if, say, Robert, credited the humble me for writing about the great reset before he did? Yeah it would have been nice But I don't care enough, I care that he does his job well. And would it have been nice if Desmet got back to me when I reached out to him to interview him? Yeah it would have been nice. But I don't care enough. I want the world to be beautiful. I remember when the main feeling for me as an artist was that my (oviously genius, lol) message was not finding ears, and I tried, and tried, and tried, and tried. and was just tormented over it. And then I stopped being tormented, and I don't know how. I just focused on the service. And so, taking it back to the conflict between the Breggins and Malone, I care about fixing the broken parts. I don't think any of them are CO, i think they are just imperfect human beings, and hopefully they will learn, too. That is what my prayer is for.
Thank you for a thought-provoking exchange, Tereza!!
I'm so sorry, Tessa, but I'm again confused. Who feels smaller and who's been abused? The Breggins? Me? JJ Couey? Mathew Crawford? Diana West? Sage Hana? Paul Alexander? These are a few of the people presenting the anomalies in Robert's past. But the most important question is what direction he's steering the movement.
If you look at this as a healer, a doctor, you can't just numb the symptoms and call it good. You need to find the cause. You're ruling out that Robert could be still representing the interests for which he worked his entire career. Others are looking at and weighing the evidence.
If I had an ego, it would be more important that you like me and think well of me. At one time, I wanted that from Robert--he had subbed me and often liked my comments. It wasn't him ignoring me that caused me to question him. It was the evidence I couldn't ignore. And I had to give up my ego and decide it was okay if he didn't like me ... really didn't like me. And since I was almost alone at the time, and saying he was not who he said, that was scary. You've helped me have the courage to do it, even if you didn't want the result ;-)
Sorry, I was typing at a hundred miles an hour in a "stream of consciousness" mode. :) I was talking about the Malidoma Some reference I mentioned and not anyone in particular.
Also, I was not debating your article or defending any of my own on the topic. I was observing it unfold in real rime between semi-private exchanges and postings, and it was not a natural occurrence. What I am trying to say is that the Breggins and Robert need our help. We need to focus on prayer for clarity and healing, it doesn't matter who said what, people say stupid things when they are off balance and especially when they are helped into acting self-destructive. it's a philosophical matter but also a very practical natter. They need our help, and if we can focus on prayer for clarity and spiritually clear and good resolution, we will do a fantastic job all together toward the victory against the tyrants of the world.
Tessa...donтАЩt be an apologist for bad behavior in the name of being an advocate of love in the world. Sometimes tough love is necessary to ensure that true love is not corrupted by those who would exploit oneтАЩs desire to believe in hood to the point of ignoring trouble, evil, ill intent or malfeasance in oneтАЩs midst.
Should we not, on your premise of get along to go along embrace Fauci?
How is it at this point that so many have come to know of FauciтАЩs lies? Even Malone claiming to only recently have come to see the lies?
Was it not through questioning and trying to reconcile experience and facts with what we are told?
In part, you are suggesting that once the freedom movement was established we must embrace any and all that grab the label and attach it to them in the name of what is good and just? But isnтАЩt that exactly what the likes of Gares, Schwaub, Soros, Fauci et al did in the name of public health?
Sorry. No offense intended but it begins to feel like that you are asking us to surrender our critical thinking skills at perhaps the most critical hour in this battle and to simply trust our fate to those who claim to be doing good for our benefit.
Think of it like this....I was awake before Malone about the mRNA vaccines and the danger they presented.....so why should I defer to him? Why should I thank him and be grateful for what he brings to the table....so far, especially compared to others in the MFM, he has brought very little of any new information to my awareness. I mean that sincerely....I have learned little from him.
Second, I ask questions and stay vigilant because of my love and caution for my fellow man....not who or a need to agitate. I am a mom....that compels me. And as I learned in the education space....the moms are operating from the purest form of love in rooting out what may harm or compromise the health and well being of our children. And having been on the receiving end of the patriarchal and mysogynystic behaviors that have allowed the world to evolve from a place of power and control....like Tereza....your seeming acceptance of the тАЬflawedтАЭ personalities (is that all it really is? ) and insistence that it is best to go along to get along....is beyond concerning knowing what is at stake.
Finally, Malone himself has exhibited repeatedly this air of it was all just s colossal blunder of small minded bureaucrats and we need to love our neighbor to heal....yeah, sorry....that was a tell for me nearly 6 months ago.
Do you ever wonder if Malone will be the new head of the FDA especially if Kennedy were to succeed? I do, and the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach. CanтАЩt even explain....but my stomach has saved my life on more than one occasion when following the experts would have virtually guaranteed my premature death.
Your explanation is so beautiful, Laura. It humbles me. And your 'authority' as a mother makes it clear what's at stake and why we can't let men take our inner knowledge away from us.
When you mentioned "having been on the receiving end of the patriarchal and mysogynystic behaviors that have allowed the world to evolve from a place of power and control....like Tereza" I didn't know if you'd seen my recent post on toxic masculinity that's stolen my term 'tonic masculinity' and applied it to them: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-twisting-of-tonic-masculinity. I'm doing a follow-up to that today and I'd like to quote from your comment. I think it ties together the different threads and illustrates what's at stake, and that I'm not looking to agitate in either case.
Thank you, Tereza. Feel free to use the quote. Please correct any misspellings. ЁЯШЙ Autocorrect and my fingertips are not always my friends.
I very much appreciated your back and forth with Tessa. I appreciate the space of positivity and love that drives Tessa. I respect it. And I know in my heart that I am driven from a similar space.
But I also know from my own experience in the trenches (began actively participating in the current battle pre-pandemic in the education space) efforts to meet others from a genuine place of respect and love for mankind, in an effort to enhance understanding was often exploited. I did not just go to school board meetings and explodeтАж.I asked questions and my concern grew proportionately as attempts were made to say the questions were not legitimate, then it was attempts to shame or humiliateтАж.for purposes of silencing you (тАЬhow dare you question my authority or expertiseтАЭтАФ-so over that at this pointтАжI dare because it is my god given right and they are not entitled to my deference until and when I decide to give it and accept their authority. And when it comes to my kidsтАЩ futureтАж.IтАЩll keep asking the messy and hard questions that some do not want to answer. And where is the respect for what drives those of us to ask the questions? Where is the understanding relative to the price we have paid in the past three years? ) .
I persistedтАж.then there was the misleading and misrepresentingтАж.Finally, I had to learn to stand firm in my instincts and pursue truth nonetheless. And that meant going toe to toe with those who did not want to have to answer to the public. I had to learn it was ok as a woman to get angry, ignore the suggestion that I was being unladylike or not respectful. The ironyтАж.those who were demanding I be тАЬpositiveтАЭ in interactions were anything but that themselves.
I had to learn the hard way that sometimes standing your ground (is loveтАж.love for oneself and a desire to protect the future for oneтАЩs family) and not letting the forces who want to control us bank on your being positive and conciliatory in efforts to enhance understandingтАж.because they quickly will exploit it or misdirect oneтАЩs search for truth and accountability.
Maybe my problem is I am a hardened warrior at this point. But when other warriors want a right to be hardened (thin skinned, victim because they are тАШgivingтАЩ so much for me ЁЯЩД, are misunderstood, yada, yada, yada) and at the same time use that as the excuse for attacking one тАж.cause тАЬyour not playing niceтАЭ when you ask fair questions and get less than satisfying answersтАж.Well, it gives me pause. And IтАЩm not interested in apologizing for my instincts. Instincts are the tools of survival.
So at this point for me, the suggestion one is not тАЬoperating by and through loveтАЭ because they ask questions or require accountability from their fellow human being in matters that affect us allтАж.well, that is treacherous territory today, IMO. It also plays into that male dominance aspect of power that is a common theme and thread through the deadly and totalitarian actions that are manifesting locally, nationally and globally todayтАж.all in the name of тАЬdiversity, equity and inclusion.тАЭ
Sorry, my thoughts are a bit jumbled this morningтАж.but I suspect you get my point. And I may need to now check out your substack. I like your style and approach. A gentle and firm warrior!!! But a warrior all the same.
I am very happy to see that you made friends!! That's the best part about comments, when people connect and find camaraderie. We can argue about things all day but when I see people connecting, it makes me just so delighted. Yay!
Your experience was the same as mine. At first I ignored it, because I wanted to believe. Then I realized....I was actively refusing to look closer because I did not want to see.
In short, the community needs healing. Our egos are not important, but it's important to focus on the healing, and do it together. It's a very difficult thing to do but courthouse-style 5D chess analysis, in my experience, makes it near impossible. And personally, I don't care to be an "expert." I want us to heal. That's what matters. We have mighty brains but we are not our brains, we are a lot more than that!!
Tereza, thank you for speaking your mind, and I appreciate the mutual respect!! Let me ask you then, do you remember how it all unfolded, and the low blows against Matias and then Robert? Do you remember the very beginning of it? I remember that, and I found it deeply disturbing. There are reasonable ways to disagree with a psychological theory, (although perhaps in the middle of the battle is not the best time for such things), and ways that look like someone thinks they are chasing out the devil while in fact.... Anyway, I thought it was very tragic, and it looked manipulated. I, for one, don't think that even the attack on Desmet's theory was justified, and I have expressed my opinion multiple times. It's a theory. Take it or leave it. Who cares. The Breggins projected their fears on it but it was more of a projection, in my opinion. They are good people. They made fear-based choices, and it snowballed to where we are. And of course there is nothing great about the lawsuit, nothing at all! But Robert didn't start it. And in the end, we have to think about the big picture and the usefulness of everything for the community. Who wins from this bad behavior on everybody's side? The alphabets, that's who. And surely, they had something to do with starting it, I have no doubt.
Have you read Malidoma Some, by the way? There is a lot about the responsibility of the community when people start messing up. I come from that place. I don't care who is right or wrong, we need to stand tall and think about healing as opposed to court house.
But I'm confused, Tessa. My article quotes from the Breggins and links to the four articles that started it all. Please show me what you consider to be a low blow against Matias and then Robert. I've read these in depth and they seem like exactly what you're saying--a reasonable disagreement with a psychological theory. I don't see anything that seems like chasing out the devil. Please include quotes, all the sources from the Breggins are in my article. If I had only read Robert's side, I may have thought that, but as soon as I went to the actual sources, I realized I'd been misled.
The conflict "was planted" by malone.
How are you sure that you know the entire scope of this lamentable conflict, and how do you know there there was nothing else happening? On my end, I usually advise to everyone (including myself) to say even-headed, open-minded, and focused on the honest truth, whether it turns out to be what I think it is, or something else. xoxo
like what else? do you want me to post certain of his articles here? have you read them? i know a predator when i see one. the lamentable conflict as you call it is the conflict between deep state vivisectionists and we the people. the proles, the plebes, the dummies, the lab rats.
Well,, if I wanted to start a courthouse about Malone and Breggins, I would have done that. What I did though was posting a poem guarding against individuals who no one may suspect who are doing the work of division. And that is what I want to keep the focus on, on this page. Goes without saying, each of us makes up our own idea of the world, whom we like, whom we dislike, I just caution against getting carried away (because usually when that happens, good people make fools out of themselves. Whenever somebody starts acting like they are "casting out the devil," madness ensues, and it never fails. Now. I am perfectly cool, on every topic, in every case, with people making up their own minds as they wish. I respect you regardless of whether we have arrived at the same conclusion on this, or not. I am not looking to get engaged into yet another round of "he said, she said." My focus is elsewhere, and of course, you are welcome to post anything you like. But I have a well-formed opinion, and I am convinced that both sides (and many of us) have been played. Sometimes things are not black and white at all! And there is a big difference between a sincere human being with a unique story an imperfections and a predator. Big, big difference. That is my opinion, and I stand by it based on giving it a rather thorough investigation of my own.
how true, i been played, you been played, we all been played. so who's strumming the guitar? nobody knows. or could be, everybody knows but nobody tells.
And with that....we are all absolved and no accountability. Sure feels like where we have been for the better part of three years. Guess it is unreasonable to work towards real change, best to just all get along. Embrace the new round of experts until they gleefully lead us astray.
check your ego at the door, we are all holy here.