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Its hard for me to be mean and fight robots this morning when you offer us such compassion and messages of love. Instead of fighting now I feel like spraying WD-40 on the robots and shining them up. I will wait awhile, until my joy has passed, then I'm gonna have to get mean again, extra mean...

I don't have a choice. Thanks for the balance.

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Jul 12, 2023·edited Jul 12, 2023Author

:) Thank you, Jean-Baptiste!! The way I see it, love is not in contradiction with fighting robots, it fuels it. It's more a matter of how we fight. Love helps melt the energy that feeds the robots at its root, as opposed to just removing the robots that have grown so far. :) Something like this https://tessa.substack.com/p/love-is-medicine

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WD 40 is love if you consider it is good for almost anything under the sun. I deiced my car, (which could be considered my best friend) in Wyoming with great success! I sprayed my windows too. So WD 40 is real love for robots I bet!

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Jul 12, 2023·edited Jul 12, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

“one can read a thousand books on mkultra and still fall for it” 🧨

thanks for mentioning the false dichotomy of having to choose between the roles of asshole or victim

glad you addressed how effectively trump derangement syndrome was developed and then weaponized

but the biggest takeaway I got here was when you said we need to remember that if we had the guts to stand up and fight the lockdown, we have it in us to keep fighting. And that it's more fun than the alternative!

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Thank you, and yes, we absolutely have it in us to stand up to abuse. It fact, it is our spiritual duty to ourselves to do that!! And then doing it from the position of strength and being connected to good energy makes the fight a lot more effective in the end!

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Jul 12, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

thanks for being a good influence - joy is in short supply unless we create it. old story, i know...we here in the industrialized west were so spoiled...

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These talks between you two get better and better, Tessa ad Paul. As both of you note, it's so HEALTHY to connect and explore with live, fellow human beings. I don't see why FESTIVALS online, encompassing dialogue on subject, music and other arts, can't be a ready and regular thing. Cheers and the best, best, best, Don

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Thank you Don!!! And yes, Paul is so great. Hugs to you!!

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I very much agree with our shared humanity, and the interconnectedness. It resonates deeply with my beliefs. The only thing I find really wrong in the picture is the us versus them idea. It is division, and this imho is the working of evil. To divide.

What resonates with me is the determination to transform those negative impulses inside. Then the transformation goes outward in ripple effect and the environment changes.

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Thank you, Martinos!! I think "us vs.them" is "divide and conquer." Now, there are people in this world who are deliberately and in cold blood attempting destructive things. It is important to watch out and not be swayed. But it is also important to stay even-headed and notice when somebody is trying to mess with good people's heads and push them into the direction of anxiety and perpetual trauma. By the way, I don't think either Paul or I said anything in favor of "us vs. them." Are you referring to anything in particular? I want to make sure I understand. xoxo

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Jul 12, 2023·edited Jul 12, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

its just the notion of The System. Wants us to do this or that. Thats all. I myself have written about the Barrier, but i tend to extensively expkain that its all about us. Inside. And thank you very much for your post and hard work!

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Reality the "system" Martinos, is attempting to murder billions of people in the name of Eugenics. If you got their kill shot you have been injured and they are sociopaths and really want you dead. The TRUTH is hard to look at in this war, but it is a war and people are really getting killed, maimed and hurt terribly. Ignorance, I found as a nurse, would have meant I would have been giving those "kill shots" and right now even though I did it out of love I may have killed someone and up for crimes against humanity.

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i totally agree this is not a peaceful world. Nevertheless, with my eyes wide open, I cannot but feel that if you blame others for your suffering, you cannot align with the greater self. Introspection and deep transformation begin within. I am all for social change, and all for fighting against the evil nature of authority. I just believe it starts inside. At the root.

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Each of us chooses what we believe and that is our sovereign nature. I believe we were born with it. Those who ask for help can get it from spiritual sources far greater than our selves. God made those who choose evil as well as those who choose good. The difference is that the hubris of those doing evil on this Earth prevents them from asking for help from those who are greater spiritually than themselves. There is no such thing as a victim unless you believe you are one and that is the goal of evil, to make you believe you are a victim. COVID does not exist and never did but because people believed the spellcasters, and fear mongering they became a victim of it as if it was real and did exist. They took a kill shot that had nothing to do with COVID and are dying everywhere.

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I think his warning may keep some people safe which is how I took it. There is an US vs THEM in this spiritual war. The 3D world is a world where separation reigns and we are still in it. I am glad you don't like division and separation. It means you moving into a better place. And I hope I am because I hate HELL!! That is why I am envisioning along with you a Heaven I can ascend to.

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Oh my!!! Don't get me started on the Greens!!! I have been an environmentalist since my youth and decades later it has been hijacked. I remember people saying to me when I was younger that no one would care about peace and the environment unless it made them money. It now seems clear that there is a quorum who have been seduced by the funding and lost the original purpose.

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Thought you might like what he has to say about it all. He is amazing and from UK. Martin Geddes!

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Thank you, the link does not open for me though!

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Jul 14, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Wonderful conversation! Thanks for sharing. I so appreciate your gentle, candid, nonthreatening sharing of perspective. Your soul, as Paul's , is a true gift too, Tessa. 🙏

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Thank you again!! xoxoxo

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Paul, I really relate to your comment about acknowledging with disgust that our world has gone in the wrong direction. I am not a Christian but I was recently thinking that surely it is time for another flood. If there were a rational God who was looking at the world, especially one of their own creation, I can well imagine how disgusted they would feel, as the story of the Ark presumes they did in the past. I was thinking about this and how that story may have developed from circumstances not unlike the circumstances we are now in. While I have not been privy to the whole of historical social development, over my last half a decade I can not recall a more repulsive time.

My answer to the future is a focus on peace. Not a whimsically hopeful or wishful thinking kind of peace, but something very pragmatic, based on consciousness and decision making. A way to live. This is why I developed my propositions for peace, which I am developing further into a practical tool for people at all levels of social relations, personal and organisational, to ensure wholistic choices that synchronise universal optimum need states. The Life Schema which is the first booklet I have just shared here on my PEACE BULL publication, is central to all the propositions. It is a mindset that can also become a shared language of peace and maximum potential of life for all.

Maybe not in my lifetime, but it is my contribution as a place to start.

Peace and love to you both for this nourishing conversation.

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Yes, there is something deeply wrong about our world. The values that we naturally cherish as human beings have been ripped away and we find ourselves in a degraded cultural (as well as physical) environment. If peace means freedom, health and harmony, then I'm all for it!

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Great words, potential under the surface. We do live in a superficial culture that is ordered to be separated from spirit. Goas back to the Enlightenment philosophical ideas that turned humans into gods and proceeded to flesh out in Darwinism and Marxism.

This is how the bad guys are winning because we are embodied spiritual being, both essential, body and spirit. Once the organizers of culture managed to convince enough people that only the material, measurable world mattered, they were able to script new spiritual, religious values into populations that made them highly manipulatable.

Can not fill the empty hole with things, pleasure and intellect. The void is meant for God "You have made us for yourself, and our hearts are restless until they rest in thee" Saint Augustine.

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Please let your guest talk.

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Dear Dale, I don't know who you are, but I think you and I may have a different idea of the word "conversation," especially when it's a conversation with a friend. Hope it clears the misunderstanding. :-) What we agree on, seemingly, is that Paul is awesome.

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I replayed to make sure I heard it correctly that you started saying this was an interview and I was very curious to hear this man Paul speak. There were a couple of times when you went on and on and truthfully I was lost in your “rant“ as you called it. I really enjoyed and heard a nice conversation at times especially when you spoke succinctly like Paul exemplified each time he verbalized.

I do not espouse to be any ‘better’ at interviewing. And I appreciate that you put all this out there. I simply am giving feedback of my experience of getting lost in many words that could possibly be condensed?

Thank you for all you are doing and saying and putting out into the world.

Brilliant! both of you, as our Brit brothers and sisters would say. Thank you.

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Thank you, Marg! The way conversations go, they have a life of their own, ideas and revelations show up in the middle of it sometimes, and you just go with the flow. I think it's perfectly fine we all have our own preferences. And during the interview, sometimes the host talks more, sometimes less, it really all depends on the flow. Here is an example where the host (me) barely talked at all :)) And my guest here is a spectacular journalist as well. https://tessa.substack.com/p/johnny-vedmore

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Great, thank you. I’d love to see more of Paul’s work as well.

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Can you both not let intellectualizing over-think obscure your instinctual clarity? When the tyrant raises the whip, knuckle him in the windpipe. The bully will be taken aback. He's not used to the cosmic whack in opposition. Turn the table by all means. Divert what he sees as the natural flow of events from his 'superior,' untouchable vantage point. David killed Goliath. . .

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No No TL! Those intending to abuse, corral and enslave, those animals lose all rights & respect. Strength & power must confront and squarely oppose malicious power. The expect sheep, charge them as wolves.

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Be rebel. Hate WEF. weF! wEf Wef!

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Good points.

“What we need is whistle blowers, like my former friends in the CIA”

“I come from the Global South, and I think it is quite possible to do this, not through Peace groups”

“‘why don’t we have millions of people in the streets?’ I think there are two reasons.”

“Kennedy has outlined in great detail and sophistication, what the peace process is all about and the various aspects of it.”

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2023/06/07/press-release-international-peace-coalition-must-grow-to-stop-world-war-iii/

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Those of you who liked what Paul had to say in this interview might be interested in the recently published book THERE IS NOTHING MORE POWERFUL THAN AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME, which was co-written by Paul and yours truly.

It was recently re-released by Winter Oak Press in conjunction with Nevermore Media, and includes artwork from Jordan Henderson.

Free PDF available here:

https://winteroak.org.uk/2023/07/07/the-new-anarchism-revolution-without-healing-is-a-recipe-for-disaster/

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this point about political squeamishness is so true. Seems to me Trump played a perfect role in that.

One of the joys for me of the pandemic was working to lay aside labels and get to know them as neighbors instead,

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