I literally just watched a college performance of Urinetown… I thought it was incredibly à propos given our current dystopian climate (pun intended) … And now THIS!!!! Time to flush globalism and it’s hangers-on down the toilet.
Not when it comes already desalinized from the ocean in the form of rain. Evaporation is a powerful tool. There just needs to be a catch and store solution. If a 3rd world country can restore deserts with a rainwater catch system, I'm pretty sure that 1st world countries can figure something out.
What 3rd world countries use rain water to restore deserts?
I once worked at a resort that had a rainwater collection system. The rain washed bird poop off of the roof into a cistern. The water was absolutely disgusting.
Actively trying to get rid of my smart elec meter, (see emfhelpcenter.com, very helpful indeed). What funny is in reviewing my bills, I see that the bill amounts are the same for 2 month periods, now, what are the odds of that? Seems they are doing some fudgery of the numbers to get that to happen, and many report the bills from smartmeters are much higher, (as they do steal your money for their surveillance, and dirty up your power so the whole house is adversly affected). Besides that the smart meters (stupid meters I call them) do tend to explode and catch fire easily, besides the unlawful radiobroadcasting of the private info that is their raison d'etre. Stupid meters, killing us one more way!
So where does all the water go? Outer space?? Waste water follows the cycle of returning to the earth and oceans, evaporating and condensing and returning again as rain and snow. We have the same amount of water on Earth that we've had since the beginning of time. The earth is 2/3 covered in ocean. The polar caps have untold amounts of clean, fresh water. As the earth goes through its natural warming and cooling cycles, they melt, moderating the ocean's salinity. I learned this in gradeschool. These people are insane.
I love being told to use less water in California when we are literally next to the ocean.
(Yes we have some desalination plants but they rejected a plan to big a large one last year, and the only new one is a small one that will take 5 years to get up and running.)
But wait a sec...if we all become transhuman and no longer have bodies and our consciousness is beamed up to Scottie and all...doesn't it follow that we won't have bladders? And therefore all of this is moot?
Oh, how my tiny little head hurts trying to make sense of all this!
Okay, so this has been an on-going concern of mine. I'm well aware that we need to start growing as much food as possible (fruit trees, gardens, etc), but I've started to worry about having a water source. I was going to get barrels to collect the rainwater somehow, but are you saying that people back in the day used to water their gardens with urine?
I've also heard Dr. Lee Merritt and Reinette Senum (substack) both talk about electro gardening (I'm still trying to figure it out). Reinnette has a substack post on it--apparently gardens do very well with this technique.
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Depending on where you are and what the rainfall and hydrology regime are barrels might be a good idea. I'm in a well-watered zone of southern Quebec, with property that has ponds, so I don't do that in my case.
There are no "one-size-fits-all" solutions here. Local adaptation is the key I think.
I would not "replace" water with urine, (you would surely kill all your plants) but it can factor in to fertility as an additive in certain instances : added to water, added to compost piles, added to wood chips, for instance.
It seems crazy to me to have elaborate, expensive and chemically- based 'wastewater treatment' facilities in cities where key elements of soil fertility are ultimately treated as expensive garbage. Think of all the trucks coming in to cities from afar with foodstuffs that are full of nutrients that just get shat out and wasted. Large urban agglomerations are like factory farms : inputs in, outputs out, but no ecological grace. Should any step of the complexity falter and fail whole cities would starve. But nobody wants to address this question. They would rather pile on more gee-whiz technological complexity to 'solve' the issue rather than ask the question 'Should we even have cities this big?' with no ecological supports. Urbanization is like an arms race.
I've been gardening and seed-saving for over 30 years, as if the supply chains had collapsed long ago. Because you can never have enough practice!
The key is to start it, continue it, correct errors and just go for it. I'm not much on all the passing fads that keep coming and going. People have been growing food for millennia. I don't imagine there is that much new under the sun. Don't get caught up in the faddery and gee-whizzery.
Toilets and bathrooms? Just adopt the San Francisco model! That’s what streets are for...chamber pots and open windows! Problem solved. Onward to the 17th century.
Even here in Arizona there is no shortage of water. There is only very bad management by the centralized authorities that have monopolized water and sewage.
That's actually been a good thing. It has forced many of us to reconsider and turn to decentralized, local solutions. Maybe 31 years ago I realized humanure is a great resource and used a composting toilet. Several years ago I switched to putting infiltrators on my sewage system and over-planted them with food producing trees. Now every time I shit, (I piss in a bucket and throw it on the garden twice a day - yes, there are bucket seats for women) shower or do dishes, I'm watering and fertilizing those trees. I also capture all the rain water from the roof of my house and direct it to plantings.
I have some friends who live 100% off of rain water - bathroom, shower, drinking etc.
Bypass monopolized authoritarian rule with a decentralized, local solution.
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These people are obscene, and I speak as a Thames Water customer. This is the first year we have been forced to have metered water and they are manifestly cheating us rotten (though it is very hard to prove). There is absolutely no reason why we should be short of water in London except for malice and negligence - malice is more important since these people are pretty energetic when they want to screw you. The warped politics behind this was described in an article also in the Telegraph 11 years ago by Christopher Booker https://web.archive.org/web/20230409130941/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9261122/Keeping-the-country-short-of-water-is-now-government-and-EU-policy.html
“Astonishingly, it now emerges, it has become quite deliberate government policy to keep Britain short of water. And the explanation for this baffling volte-face lies in a “Communication” issued in 2007 by the European Commission (COM (2007) 414 Final) “addressing the challenge of water scarcity and droughts in the European Union”.
“This document was based on the belief that Europe was facing a water crisis due to global warming. The only way to meet the prospect of severe droughts, it argued, was to encourage us all to use water much more “efficiently”. Not once in this 14-page document is there any mention of the need to improve the storage of water. From now on, the policy of member states must be, by every possible means, to reduce the use of water, not least by making it more expensive. This is the policy that our government has now adopted, as was confirmed last year by Mrs Spelman’s White Paper, Water for Life. In all its 105 pages, there are plenty of mentions of climate change and the need to conserve water in face of the predicted droughts. As Mrs Spelman put it, when rivers start to run dry and cracks appear in those empty reservoirs, “we must recognise these as warning signs of what we might expect to see in a changing climate”. But not once, as in the EU’s paper, is there any mention of a need to build new reservoirs. The only message is that we must learn to conserve this “precious resource”, not least by making us pay more for it.”
The UK is not short of rainfall but we haven’t had a new reservoir built in 30 year - by now at least 12m more people.
UK had the wettest March for 40 years. The gov and the media made a big smell about drought last summer with their fake hottest day ever but the rivers didn’t run dry, or anywhere near, as they did in 1976, 1983 and 2003 (the last really hot summer in London). Quality of life is further spoilt by the inexplicable chem trails that scar and blur our skies much of the time, engineering something, but precisely what??
We have a poor government Also.In the USA we had a TV show long ago called ( F) Troop
a bunch of odd balls in charge of an old west military.
We now have those oddballs in Charge of the government. 47 % of Americans don’t support EV’s probably because no one owns a 100 kilometer long extension cord and only 22% support Biden for re-election. The Climate changes are Spring, Summer,Fall , and Winter.
Not so, dear Tessa! Composting toilets are very hygienic if made and used properly, and what's more of course recycle our poop and pee into fertilisers for the plants. They are totally win-win. I'm pretty sure our dependence on the Crapper is all part of the control agenda, too. We have to be hooked up to the sewage system rather than having sovereignty over our pooping and peeing!
Would a compost toilet work in the city for those of us who are not moving to the farm immediately? I agree with you that out in the country it's perfect. We had one at the summer place when I was growing up (every Soviet family had a summer place, seems like, poverty notwithstanding). And the crap went to compost eventually. But I am trying to picture how it would work in the city and not sure as of this second.
My immediate response is that this just shows how dependent on these external systems we have become, and I mean psychologically rather than actually. Sure, we'd have to make some adjustments, but the main thing preventing us from doing so is the yuk factor - because we have become accustomed to so estranged from our own shit. And this also has to do with our appalling diets, doesn't it, which are also a part of that ol' system and what it wants our bodies to be made of. Anyway, however difficult it would be to put compost toilets into practice in cities, it is certainly important to have this discussion, so thank you Tessa!
From Thames Water’s own report - they lose 24% of the daily water supply via leaks in the infrastructure that they manage. The UK water system is notoriously bad - and for a country where it never stops bloody raining ... But hey, never mind, just sting the consumers under the guise of “sustainability”. This is just one of the many reasons I refuse all “smart” meters. One of our elderly neighbours has them so we let them use our supply to water their garden in summer 😉 Hose pipes will be the next to get the chop. They’ve been bringing periodic hose pipe bans in for years and would be a double whammy for them - not only do they “save” water, but it also stops us growing our own produce.
The entire exercise reads like a Monty Python skit.
Who ya gonna call?! -tires screeching to a halt curbside, sirens blaring - "C-19 Mobile Defecation Collection Agency" emblazoned across the flanks of the Tesla all electric fleet vehicle- it's gullwing doors flop open as a crack team of turd collectors spill out in full hazmat gear and bubble helmets
In the recent past, I lived on a farm in a house that I helped build, and the water source was a shallow well that often went dry in late summer. So we actually did these water-saving things, out of necessity, instead of being forced into it by power-mad bureaucrats.
I literally just watched a college performance of Urinetown… I thought it was incredibly à propos given our current dystopian climate (pun intended) … And now THIS!!!! Time to flush globalism and it’s hangers-on down the toilet.
Your concluding sentence is perfect.
Since the Earth was created by man your water supply is being reduced by the Creator that the UK has rejected.
They could easily pull salt water from the ocean and use desalination but that would require common Sense.
In the UK we have plenty of water we just have very bad government.
I know! WHY have we not invested in desalinization????
It takes a tremendous amount of power to do nothing, too! Lol!
Not when it comes already desalinized from the ocean in the form of rain. Evaporation is a powerful tool. There just needs to be a catch and store solution. If a 3rd world country can restore deserts with a rainwater catch system, I'm pretty sure that 1st world countries can figure something out.
What 3rd world countries use rain water to restore deserts?
I once worked at a resort that had a rainwater collection system. The rain washed bird poop off of the roof into a cistern. The water was absolutely disgusting.
I for one have always love peeing freely outdoors. 3 years later, and that TP is still tearing society apart!
According to James Corbett (of The Corbett Report) the *pathocracy* could/can be "flushed":
https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/dissent-into-madness-escaping-the?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=725827&post_id=115272074&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
That’s a good read - thank you.
💬 no act of sedition is too small
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Next up: Dead people don't waste water.
I don't want to even... we have very insane and dangerous people driving the bus!
* giggling unstopably! *
Actively trying to get rid of my smart elec meter, (see emfhelpcenter.com, very helpful indeed). What funny is in reviewing my bills, I see that the bill amounts are the same for 2 month periods, now, what are the odds of that? Seems they are doing some fudgery of the numbers to get that to happen, and many report the bills from smartmeters are much higher, (as they do steal your money for their surveillance, and dirty up your power so the whole house is adversly affected). Besides that the smart meters (stupid meters I call them) do tend to explode and catch fire easily, besides the unlawful radiobroadcasting of the private info that is their raison d'etre. Stupid meters, killing us one more way!
Wow, I did not even think about the energy stolen for the maintenance of the smart meter!! Great point.
Yes, that emfhelpcenter.com site goes through all the ways these meters cause damage! Here is an article about research into how they overcharge customers...https://www.utwente.nl/en/news/2017/3/313543/electronic-energy-meters-false-readings-almost-six-times-higher-than-actual-energy-consumption
Wow (again), thank you Jacquelyn!!
Ah! Perhaps this explains how I used more energy two days when I was gone for a month! With same lights on and no heat or AC.
Do not believe the evidence of your eyes.
*lying eyes
So where does all the water go? Outer space?? Waste water follows the cycle of returning to the earth and oceans, evaporating and condensing and returning again as rain and snow. We have the same amount of water on Earth that we've had since the beginning of time. The earth is 2/3 covered in ocean. The polar caps have untold amounts of clean, fresh water. As the earth goes through its natural warming and cooling cycles, they melt, moderating the ocean's salinity. I learned this in gradeschool. These people are insane.
What happened to them worrying about the ice caps melting & us having too much water?
Lol. For sure. #liberallogic The common factor in all of their causes is more taxes, more government and more power.
I love being told to use less water in California when we are literally next to the ocean.
(Yes we have some desalination plants but they rejected a plan to big a large one last year, and the only new one is a small one that will take 5 years to get up and running.)
The first law of thermodynamics.
Instead of owning up to millions of gallons of leakage per annum, blaming your customers is the accustomed, time-worn, dishonest strategy.
Yep, a time-tested strategy. :)
But wait a sec...if we all become transhuman and no longer have bodies and our consciousness is beamed up to Scottie and all...doesn't it follow that we won't have bladders? And therefore all of this is moot?
Oh, how my tiny little head hurts trying to make sense of all this!
So funny
Turns out I have no indoor toilet but a pretty funky outhouse out back. It is periodically exhumed to help grow my apple trees. So fuhkoph Klaus!
That's what I was thinking when reading that. Somehow collect the urine to water the plants.
Yup! We're not the first to think of it.
https://cdn.permaculturenews.org/files/farmers_of_forty_centuries.pdf
Okay, so this has been an on-going concern of mine. I'm well aware that we need to start growing as much food as possible (fruit trees, gardens, etc), but I've started to worry about having a water source. I was going to get barrels to collect the rainwater somehow, but are you saying that people back in the day used to water their gardens with urine?
I've also heard Dr. Lee Merritt and Reinette Senum (substack) both talk about electro gardening (I'm still trying to figure it out). Reinnette has a substack post on it--apparently gardens do very well with this technique.
Depending on where you are and what the rainfall and hydrology regime are barrels might be a good idea. I'm in a well-watered zone of southern Quebec, with property that has ponds, so I don't do that in my case.
There are no "one-size-fits-all" solutions here. Local adaptation is the key I think.
I would not "replace" water with urine, (you would surely kill all your plants) but it can factor in to fertility as an additive in certain instances : added to water, added to compost piles, added to wood chips, for instance.
It seems crazy to me to have elaborate, expensive and chemically- based 'wastewater treatment' facilities in cities where key elements of soil fertility are ultimately treated as expensive garbage. Think of all the trucks coming in to cities from afar with foodstuffs that are full of nutrients that just get shat out and wasted. Large urban agglomerations are like factory farms : inputs in, outputs out, but no ecological grace. Should any step of the complexity falter and fail whole cities would starve. But nobody wants to address this question. They would rather pile on more gee-whiz technological complexity to 'solve' the issue rather than ask the question 'Should we even have cities this big?' with no ecological supports. Urbanization is like an arms race.
I've been gardening and seed-saving for over 30 years, as if the supply chains had collapsed long ago. Because you can never have enough practice!
The key is to start it, continue it, correct errors and just go for it. I'm not much on all the passing fads that keep coming and going. People have been growing food for millennia. I don't imagine there is that much new under the sun. Don't get caught up in the faddery and gee-whizzery.
Fuhkoph lol
The UK will love that open sewer smell
Get thee out of the city and to a nunnery!
Nothin' like the smell of Charles Dickens arse-hole in the morning eh mate?
I have a test concept proposal. Don't go to work and don't flush the loo.
Seriously -- and revealing my ignorance -- how can the UK be running out of water?! It's an island, not a desert.
Considering the amount of water used to make a single pair of jeans, for example, I think we have bigger culprits than Joe Everyman flushing the loo!
Ntm the willful contamination of watersheds….
But, as always, it is the common people who must pay while the elites consume and control.
Toilets and bathrooms? Just adopt the San Francisco model! That’s what streets are for...chamber pots and open windows! Problem solved. Onward to the 17th century.
Even here in Arizona there is no shortage of water. There is only very bad management by the centralized authorities that have monopolized water and sewage.
That's actually been a good thing. It has forced many of us to reconsider and turn to decentralized, local solutions. Maybe 31 years ago I realized humanure is a great resource and used a composting toilet. Several years ago I switched to putting infiltrators on my sewage system and over-planted them with food producing trees. Now every time I shit, (I piss in a bucket and throw it on the garden twice a day - yes, there are bucket seats for women) shower or do dishes, I'm watering and fertilizing those trees. I also capture all the rain water from the roof of my house and direct it to plantings.
I have some friends who live 100% off of rain water - bathroom, shower, drinking etc.
Bypass monopolized authoritarian rule with a decentralized, local solution.
"Bypass monopolized authoritarian rule with a decentralized, local solution." Yes!!!!!
As far as rain water, I can't think about it nowadays without thinking about geoengineering.. :(
That is something to consider. My friends have a fairly elaborate filtration system. Mine all goes to the landscape.
These people are obscene, and I speak as a Thames Water customer. This is the first year we have been forced to have metered water and they are manifestly cheating us rotten (though it is very hard to prove). There is absolutely no reason why we should be short of water in London except for malice and negligence - malice is more important since these people are pretty energetic when they want to screw you. The warped politics behind this was described in an article also in the Telegraph 11 years ago by Christopher Booker https://web.archive.org/web/20230409130941/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9261122/Keeping-the-country-short-of-water-is-now-government-and-EU-policy.html
“Astonishingly, it now emerges, it has become quite deliberate government policy to keep Britain short of water. And the explanation for this baffling volte-face lies in a “Communication” issued in 2007 by the European Commission (COM (2007) 414 Final) “addressing the challenge of water scarcity and droughts in the European Union”.
“This document was based on the belief that Europe was facing a water crisis due to global warming. The only way to meet the prospect of severe droughts, it argued, was to encourage us all to use water much more “efficiently”. Not once in this 14-page document is there any mention of the need to improve the storage of water. From now on, the policy of member states must be, by every possible means, to reduce the use of water, not least by making it more expensive. This is the policy that our government has now adopted, as was confirmed last year by Mrs Spelman’s White Paper, Water for Life. In all its 105 pages, there are plenty of mentions of climate change and the need to conserve water in face of the predicted droughts. As Mrs Spelman put it, when rivers start to run dry and cracks appear in those empty reservoirs, “we must recognise these as warning signs of what we might expect to see in a changing climate”. But not once, as in the EU’s paper, is there any mention of a need to build new reservoirs. The only message is that we must learn to conserve this “precious resource”, not least by making us pay more for it.”
The UK is not short of rainfall but we haven’t had a new reservoir built in 30 year - by now at least 12m more people.
This is stunning, John. Thank you!!
UK had the wettest March for 40 years. The gov and the media made a big smell about drought last summer with their fake hottest day ever but the rivers didn’t run dry, or anywhere near, as they did in 1976, 1983 and 2003 (the last really hot summer in London). Quality of life is further spoilt by the inexplicable chem trails that scar and blur our skies much of the time, engineering something, but precisely what??
We have a poor government Also.In the USA we had a TV show long ago called ( F) Troop
a bunch of odd balls in charge of an old west military.
We now have those oddballs in Charge of the government. 47 % of Americans don’t support EV’s probably because no one owns a 100 kilometer long extension cord and only 22% support Biden for re-election. The Climate changes are Spring, Summer,Fall , and Winter.
We have enlarged some reservoirs. I know as half my village is now under water for it. It feeds the now city of Colchester.
But here’s something weird, why does my water not come from the reservoir in the village but travels from 20-25 miles away.
As a bonus, at least we have easy access to fresh water if the SHTF. We can drive right up to it too. And it has fish in it.
Not so, dear Tessa! Composting toilets are very hygienic if made and used properly, and what's more of course recycle our poop and pee into fertilisers for the plants. They are totally win-win. I'm pretty sure our dependence on the Crapper is all part of the control agenda, too. We have to be hooked up to the sewage system rather than having sovereignty over our pooping and peeing!
Would a compost toilet work in the city for those of us who are not moving to the farm immediately? I agree with you that out in the country it's perfect. We had one at the summer place when I was growing up (every Soviet family had a summer place, seems like, poverty notwithstanding). And the crap went to compost eventually. But I am trying to picture how it would work in the city and not sure as of this second.
My immediate response is that this just shows how dependent on these external systems we have become, and I mean psychologically rather than actually. Sure, we'd have to make some adjustments, but the main thing preventing us from doing so is the yuk factor - because we have become accustomed to so estranged from our own shit. And this also has to do with our appalling diets, doesn't it, which are also a part of that ol' system and what it wants our bodies to be made of. Anyway, however difficult it would be to put compost toilets into practice in cities, it is certainly important to have this discussion, so thank you Tessa!
From Thames Water’s own report - they lose 24% of the daily water supply via leaks in the infrastructure that they manage. The UK water system is notoriously bad - and for a country where it never stops bloody raining ... But hey, never mind, just sting the consumers under the guise of “sustainability”. This is just one of the many reasons I refuse all “smart” meters. One of our elderly neighbours has them so we let them use our supply to water their garden in summer 😉 Hose pipes will be the next to get the chop. They’ve been bringing periodic hose pipe bans in for years and would be a double whammy for them - not only do they “save” water, but it also stops us growing our own produce.
If you’re really bored, here’s the leak report from Thames - https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/performance/leakage-performance
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-022-00582-0
Perfect. :)
"...when the sensor detects a defecation event"
The entire exercise reads like a Monty Python skit.
Who ya gonna call?! -tires screeching to a halt curbside, sirens blaring - "C-19 Mobile Defecation Collection Agency" emblazoned across the flanks of the Tesla all electric fleet vehicle- it's gullwing doors flop open as a crack team of turd collectors spill out in full hazmat gear and bubble helmets
In the recent past, I lived on a farm in a house that I helped build, and the water source was a shallow well that often went dry in late summer. So we actually did these water-saving things, out of necessity, instead of being forced into it by power-mad bureaucrats.
When elites do first.