Tessa, thank you for your generosity of spirit, and patience, and for trying to make heads or tails out of what I (think I'm) talking about. It was an honor to be on your show and I'm happy to be your friend.
"It so happens that the balancing job starts with being super-focused on doing what’s spiritually right, not in terms of dogma but in terms of doing things with honesty, courage, and love."
A lot of what is claimed to be traits of humanity is a result of a period of prosperity combined with money in research of human psychology, some of which were horrible botch jobs that portayed humanity as stupid and weak... Oh and the animals were denigrated even worse. It was almost like they were trying to prove why we needed a god or some absolute order.
I loved that, Tessa. I've been fortunate to encounter indigenous wisdom from time to time in my life and have taken all of it in. He's dead on when he says we have a spiritual obligation, up against a culture that mostly doesn't understand the term "obligation," much less have the spiritual capacity to apply the concept. But we're working on it...
I agree completely! But you also had much to say that was heartening & inspiring &, I must, say acutely intelligent from a human perspective (i.e. how to actually respond or react to certain things)...
Thank you both for this truly inspiring discussion. All the things you talk about have been so much on my mind for so long in so many different ways. I can't remember exactly who—I'm sure it was one of my poet-heroes, maybe Ed Dorn—once said that you have to see poetry where you find it. You are both thinking like great poets, & very few poets now are thinking that way. So I think one of the underlying parts of what you are thinking about is, simply, how do we make sense of the world: what language do we use, how do we find language that isn't ready-made to often describe the ready-mades we are presented with and, then, even as crucially, how does our way of expressing ourselves constrain or free our ways of behaving, our relationship to ourselves & to others. I can't even begin to say—bravo to you both, bravo bravo bravo!!
Thank you so much, Ammiel!! And yes, I LOVED having that conversation with Celia. It is palpable that she wants to understand the truth, it is such a rare quality these day!! And she is brilliant, too!
Thank you for this. I really felt the healing power of resonance and respectful dialogue here. Thank you for untangling and disarming the word spells and identifying the traumatizing propaganda. Such a fascinating and ultimately hopeful conversation.
My ears pricked up when Celia talked about the money being made on Wall Street from fear in the gay community. This is now under the an enormous umbrella of social impact finance and I am learning so much from Alison McDowell on the play going on behind the games we think we see. It is complex but essential learning I highly recommend her, red vs blue, virus no virus it’s all creating choice architecture in complexity and emergent systems thinking. We are so far behind the curve but as I learn more about this it helps me step back from influence arena to find myself and my sovereignty. Thank you for these great conversations.
I loved this conversation, Tessa. Celia is an extraordinary human, and journalist. The scapegoating part of the conversation reminded me of a Mark Twain story from the 1890s called "The Mysterious Stranger," set in 1590 in Austria. I think you would find it interesting, and remarkably current. Personally, I struggle to have these conversations, probably because after 40 years of studying the evolution of our society, the economy, and the people who run it (not the people we think we elect), I've come to understand "the powers that be" as the world's longest running, most successful, and most psychopathic criminal mafia. Their means are extortion rackets (the function of today's predatory capitalism), blackmail, intimidation, and assassination. And every one of these means are fundamentally fear-based. If we're not afraid, their rackets won't deliver the goods. If we're not sick and afraid of dying, the medical and pharmaceutical rackets wouldn't work. If we weren't afraid of "terrorists" and "communists" and any number of other bogeymen, we wouldn't need a violence racket. If we actually understood how to live in harmony with natural systems, the industrial agriculture and chemical rackets wouldn't deliver. These people have a history going back 1,000 years or more (the City of London - racketeering HQ - was founded almost 1,000 years ago). Most everything that's been going on, for our entire history, makes a lot more sense (to me, anyway) when I understand who "they" are as a massive matrix of syndicated rackets and Ponzi swindles. Keep up the wonderful writing and conversation - you'll make humans of all of us yet.
Would you please, please, please enable the closed captioning for all your videos? I require cc'ing to "listen" to video content and it's very disheartening to be blocked from being able to access it. I greatly appreciate your written essays, but I feel I'm missing out on so much more. I would have loved to "hear" this interview with Celia. . . and so many others.
Thank you, Louka, and my apologies for not having the captions here. I tried to see if Substack allows that, and I couldn't find it. I am in the process of migrating the interviews on all sorts of other platforms, I will let you know when they are available!
Interesting interview Tessa. Celia mentioned the trap of "false science" which drives those who have no God or who deny God vs those who espouse God. A lady back in the late 1800's having a similar observation, described in her words the conflict between "good and evil" in the spiritual realm of humanity.
"By the cry of liberality, men are blinded to the devices of their adversary, while he is all the time working steadily for the accomplishment of his object. As he succeeds in supplanting the word of truth by human speculations, the law of God is set aside, and the churches are under the bondage of sin while they claim to be free. { 4SP 345.1 }
To many, scientific research has become a curse; their finite minds are so weak that they lose their balance. They cannot harmonize their views of science with Scripture statements, and they think that the Bible is to be tested by their standard of “science falsely so called.” Thus they err from the faith, and are seduced by the devil. Men have endeavored to be wiser than their Creator; human philosophy has attempted to search out and explain mysteries which will never be revealed, through the eternal ages. If men would but search and understand what God has made known of himself and his purposes, they would obtain such a view of the glory, majesty, and power of Jehovah, that they would realize their own littleness, and would be content with that which has been revealed for themselves and their children. { 4SP 345.2 }
It is a masterpiece of Satan’s deceptions to keep the minds of men searching and conjecturing in regard to that which God has not made known, and which he does not intend that we shall understand.
It was thus that Lucifer himself was cast out of Heaven. He became dissatisfied because all the secrets of God’s purposes were not confided to him, and he entirely disregarded that which was revealed concerning his own work in the lofty position assigned him. By arousing the same discontent in the angels under his command, he caused their fall. Now he seeks to imbue the minds of men with the same spirit, and to lead them also to disregard the direct commands of God. { 4SP 345.3 }
Those who are unwilling to accept the plain, cutting truths of the Bible, are continually seeking for pleasing fables that will quiet their consciences. The less spiritual, self-denying, and humiliating the doctrines presented, the greater the favor with which they are received. These persons degrade the intellectual powers to serve their carnal desires. Too wise in their own conceit to search the word of God with contrition of soul and earnest prayer for divine guidance, they have no shield from delusion. Satan is ready to supply the heart’s desire, and he palms off his deceptions in the place of truth. It was thus that the papacy gained its power over the minds of men; and by rejection of the truth because it involves a cross, Protestants are following the same path. All who neglect the word of God to study convenience and policy, that they may not be at variance with the world, will be left to receive damnable heresy for religious truth. The apostle Paul speaks of a class who received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” He says of these, “For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” [2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.] With such a warning before us, it behooves us to be on our guard as to what doctrines we receive." { 4SP 346.1 }
Tessa, thank you for your generosity of spirit, and patience, and for trying to make heads or tails out of what I (think I'm) talking about. It was an honor to be on your show and I'm happy to be your friend.
The honor is mine!! You are such a wonderful, passionate seeker of the truth and an inspiration for many!
Tessa wrote:
"It so happens that the balancing job starts with being super-focused on doing what’s spiritually right, not in terms of dogma but in terms of doing things with honesty, courage, and love."
:-D
Thank you, Brother John!!
You're right about the scapegoating.
A lot of what is claimed to be traits of humanity is a result of a period of prosperity combined with money in research of human psychology, some of which were horrible botch jobs that portayed humanity as stupid and weak... Oh and the animals were denigrated even worse. It was almost like they were trying to prove why we needed a god or some absolute order.
Anti nature to the core.
Here's some examples of their bullshit research
https://robc137.substack.com/p/the-milgram-experiment-and-how-we
🎯🔥🎯🔥🎯🔥🎯♥️
Thank you both for sharing this conversation. I found it quite valuable. Wise insights shared.
Thank you, Kelly, I am so glad you enjoyed it!!
I loved that, Tessa. I've been fortunate to encounter indigenous wisdom from time to time in my life and have taken all of it in. He's dead on when he says we have a spiritual obligation, up against a culture that mostly doesn't understand the term "obligation," much less have the spiritual capacity to apply the concept. But we're working on it...
My two favourite minds, together, chewing the cud. Pure joy. Thank you both.
Thank you, Siam!!! Music to my ears :)
I agree completely! But you also had much to say that was heartening & inspiring &, I must, say acutely intelligent from a human perspective (i.e. how to actually respond or react to certain things)...
Thank you!!! xoxoxo
Thank you both for this truly inspiring discussion. All the things you talk about have been so much on my mind for so long in so many different ways. I can't remember exactly who—I'm sure it was one of my poet-heroes, maybe Ed Dorn—once said that you have to see poetry where you find it. You are both thinking like great poets, & very few poets now are thinking that way. So I think one of the underlying parts of what you are thinking about is, simply, how do we make sense of the world: what language do we use, how do we find language that isn't ready-made to often describe the ready-mades we are presented with and, then, even as crucially, how does our way of expressing ourselves constrain or free our ways of behaving, our relationship to ourselves & to others. I can't even begin to say—bravo to you both, bravo bravo bravo!!
Thank you so much, Ammiel!! And yes, I LOVED having that conversation with Celia. It is palpable that she wants to understand the truth, it is such a rare quality these day!! And she is brilliant, too!
Thank you for this. I really felt the healing power of resonance and respectful dialogue here. Thank you for untangling and disarming the word spells and identifying the traumatizing propaganda. Such a fascinating and ultimately hopeful conversation.
Thank you, Ann!! I am very touched by your words!!
My ears pricked up when Celia talked about the money being made on Wall Street from fear in the gay community. This is now under the an enormous umbrella of social impact finance and I am learning so much from Alison McDowell on the play going on behind the games we think we see. It is complex but essential learning I highly recommend her, red vs blue, virus no virus it’s all creating choice architecture in complexity and emergent systems thinking. We are so far behind the curve but as I learn more about this it helps me step back from influence arena to find myself and my sovereignty. Thank you for these great conversations.
Thank you, Good, True & Beautiful!
I loved this conversation, Tessa. Celia is an extraordinary human, and journalist. The scapegoating part of the conversation reminded me of a Mark Twain story from the 1890s called "The Mysterious Stranger," set in 1590 in Austria. I think you would find it interesting, and remarkably current. Personally, I struggle to have these conversations, probably because after 40 years of studying the evolution of our society, the economy, and the people who run it (not the people we think we elect), I've come to understand "the powers that be" as the world's longest running, most successful, and most psychopathic criminal mafia. Their means are extortion rackets (the function of today's predatory capitalism), blackmail, intimidation, and assassination. And every one of these means are fundamentally fear-based. If we're not afraid, their rackets won't deliver the goods. If we're not sick and afraid of dying, the medical and pharmaceutical rackets wouldn't work. If we weren't afraid of "terrorists" and "communists" and any number of other bogeymen, we wouldn't need a violence racket. If we actually understood how to live in harmony with natural systems, the industrial agriculture and chemical rackets wouldn't deliver. These people have a history going back 1,000 years or more (the City of London - racketeering HQ - was founded almost 1,000 years ago). Most everything that's been going on, for our entire history, makes a lot more sense (to me, anyway) when I understand who "they" are as a massive matrix of syndicated rackets and Ponzi swindles. Keep up the wonderful writing and conversation - you'll make humans of all of us yet.
Thank you, Charlie!!! And yes, we are ruled by a mob who doesn't have people's best interests at heart, that is very true!
I just posted this John Trudell talk in response to another comment, you might like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=180vRsMmqNI
some profound insights by both of you. Bravo
Thank you, Alexandros!!
Tessa,
Would you please, please, please enable the closed captioning for all your videos? I require cc'ing to "listen" to video content and it's very disheartening to be blocked from being able to access it. I greatly appreciate your written essays, but I feel I'm missing out on so much more. I would have loved to "hear" this interview with Celia. . . and so many others.
Thank you so much!
Thank you, Louka, and my apologies for not having the captions here. I tried to see if Substack allows that, and I couldn't find it. I am in the process of migrating the interviews on all sorts of other platforms, I will let you know when they are available!
Thank you, Tessa!
Interesting interview Tessa. Celia mentioned the trap of "false science" which drives those who have no God or who deny God vs those who espouse God. A lady back in the late 1800's having a similar observation, described in her words the conflict between "good and evil" in the spiritual realm of humanity.
"By the cry of liberality, men are blinded to the devices of their adversary, while he is all the time working steadily for the accomplishment of his object. As he succeeds in supplanting the word of truth by human speculations, the law of God is set aside, and the churches are under the bondage of sin while they claim to be free. { 4SP 345.1 }
To many, scientific research has become a curse; their finite minds are so weak that they lose their balance. They cannot harmonize their views of science with Scripture statements, and they think that the Bible is to be tested by their standard of “science falsely so called.” Thus they err from the faith, and are seduced by the devil. Men have endeavored to be wiser than their Creator; human philosophy has attempted to search out and explain mysteries which will never be revealed, through the eternal ages. If men would but search and understand what God has made known of himself and his purposes, they would obtain such a view of the glory, majesty, and power of Jehovah, that they would realize their own littleness, and would be content with that which has been revealed for themselves and their children. { 4SP 345.2 }
It is a masterpiece of Satan’s deceptions to keep the minds of men searching and conjecturing in regard to that which God has not made known, and which he does not intend that we shall understand.
It was thus that Lucifer himself was cast out of Heaven. He became dissatisfied because all the secrets of God’s purposes were not confided to him, and he entirely disregarded that which was revealed concerning his own work in the lofty position assigned him. By arousing the same discontent in the angels under his command, he caused their fall. Now he seeks to imbue the minds of men with the same spirit, and to lead them also to disregard the direct commands of God. { 4SP 345.3 }
Those who are unwilling to accept the plain, cutting truths of the Bible, are continually seeking for pleasing fables that will quiet their consciences. The less spiritual, self-denying, and humiliating the doctrines presented, the greater the favor with which they are received. These persons degrade the intellectual powers to serve their carnal desires. Too wise in their own conceit to search the word of God with contrition of soul and earnest prayer for divine guidance, they have no shield from delusion. Satan is ready to supply the heart’s desire, and he palms off his deceptions in the place of truth. It was thus that the papacy gained its power over the minds of men; and by rejection of the truth because it involves a cross, Protestants are following the same path. All who neglect the word of God to study convenience and policy, that they may not be at variance with the world, will be left to receive damnable heresy for religious truth. The apostle Paul speaks of a class who received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” He says of these, “For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” [2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.] With such a warning before us, it behooves us to be on our guard as to what doctrines we receive." { 4SP 346.1 }
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Jeremiah 17:9
Journalist Celia Farber is singularly situated to write the story comparing/contrasting the AIDS era with the Covid 19 era. That will be illuminating.
Very true!