Conspiracy, Mob Morality, and Amnesty: A Conversation with Charles Eisenstein

... and the meaning of life, while we are at it.

This story is about my conversation with Charles Eisenstein. Recently, I reached out to Charles to discuss his views on “conspiracy theories”—and we ended up talking about everything, from the trajectory of our civilization to Emily Oster and her “pandemic amnesty.”

Backstory

In September, Charles published an article titled, “There’s No One Driving the Bus.” It kind of read like Charles was saying that conspiracies did not exist. However, based on my earlier conversation with Charles and his work in general, I wondered if that was what he was really saying—or whether it was just one chunk of what he was thinking about on a given day, a phase in an ongoing inner monologue, a side of a convoluted plot. I wondered if, in the words of fact-checkers, the conclusion—imprisoned in mechanical letters—was “taken out of context.” :)

So, I reached out to Charles, and we decided to discuss it and see where it would lead us. It led us to a very interesting conversation in which we meandered, switched sides back and forth, and talked like two curious human beings, thinking out loud about complicated matters—rigid talking points be damned.

If you want to jump straight to the interview, here it is.

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A few additional thoughts.

“Pandemic amnesty”

Emily Oster: The Broken Child. The Missionary

Amnesty, Yes—And Here is the Price

What is a conspiracy?

I wrote on the topic extensively in a number of articles. Here are some of them, please check them out if you like.

What Is a Conspiracy?

#BuildingBackBetter: A "Respectable" Conspiracy

Is Our World Run Like a Mafia? So What Do We Do?

A Powerful Mob Behind State Medical Boards

Anatomy of Deceit

No really, what is a conspiracy?

I have observed that when people argue obnoxiously against the existence of conspiracies, they typically argue not against what most of us talk about when we talk about conspiracies—but against a grotesque, imaginary beast, a fantastical blend of ideas—as if the existence of conspiracies implies that no other motivation can simultaneously exist.

The argument goes something like this: “See, there is corruption, therefore there is obviously no conspiracy. Case closed. You idiot.”

Sorry what?

Of course, the existence of coordinated human behavior to accomplish a given goal does not imply that everyone underneath just moves like a bunch of zombies, without any independent motivations of their own or their own desires!

In fact, the spiritual dynamic (and, I believe, the existential reason why the people pushing forth the awful Great Reset are allowed to advance) is that the tricksters, the conspiring tricksters, provide conditions for us to exercise free will and to choose our hearts over their bleak proposals—and in order for them to lose their power, we need to find our power from a place of love. They make things bleak as a reminder to us of what “alive” feels like, how sweet it is. This is the way I see it anyway.

So, here is the interview again, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed it in the moment!

Exhibit A

“Conspiracy Smoothie”: a small disgusting bit from 2020 (and then please shower)

A classic example of “mainsplaining” (mainstream explaining, while downplaying) conspiracies was the egregious 2020 article by Naomi Klein called, “The Great Reset Conspiracy Smoothie.” Her not-so-good article featured an even worse film, “The Years of Repair”—and out of principle, I am not going to link to it—but if you really want to check it out, it’s mentioned in her article.

Here is a quote from her article, followed by another useful exhibit.

And yet search for the term “global reset” and you will be bombarded with breathless “exposés” of a secret globalist cabal, headed by Schwab and Bill Gates, that is using the state of shock created by the coronavirus (which is probably itself a “hoax”) to turn the world into a high-tech dictatorship that will take away your freedom forever: a green/socialist/Venezuela/Soros/forced vaccine dictatorship if the Reset exposé is coming from the far right, and a Big Pharma/GMO/biometric implants/5G/robot dog/forced vaccine dictatorship if the exposé hails from the far left.

Exhibit B

A reality check

Wittgenstein @backtolife_2023

The Covid-19 passport implanted in your skin using this NFC-enabled microchip Source: South China Morning Post (Youtube)

Bernie's Tweets @BernieSpofforth

U.K. GOVERNMENT- “There are no plans to introduce Digital ID” For those at the back? It’s time to wake up!

Geopolitics & Empire @Geopolitics_Emp

Contact tracing data sent to Palantir, lol.

theguardian.comVictorians’ Covid contact tracing data sent for potential use by data mining platformExclusive: Australian data security experts described the July 2020 move involving controversial Palantir platform as ‘dubious’ and ‘outrageous’

James Melville @JamesMelville

Here's the Canadian Bankers Association describing the ‘benefits’ of digital ID. Don’t fall for this. It’s a trap for control, surveillance and enforcement.

🔥⭐️Edwin⭐️🔥 @Edwin07011

AUSTRALIA: Vaccine verification certificates linked to digital ID and government apps. If anyone suggested such a thing back in 2020, they were dismissed as a conspiracy theorist.

CNET @CNET

Boston Dynamics' cavalcade of robot dogs and people are inspiring...and little creepy

Indian Aerospace Defence News (IADN) @NewsIADN

#China unveils the first dog robot armed with an automatic cannonat #ZhuhaiAirShow2022 According to the company, the weapon is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 1,200mt, machine gun named QBB-97 can fire 650 rounds per minute at a range of 400mt. #IADN #IADN_infobites https://t.co/2Vc8LPNjwA

Wevolver @WevolverApp

DEEP Robotics recently released its newest #robotics technique, of #autonomous coordinated multi-robot exploration; the experiment occurred in a 3,000 m2 unknown environment with five Jueying X20 #robot dogs Article by @DeepRobotics_CN: wevolver.com/article/coordi… #Quadrupeds #tech

Robert F. Kennedy Jr @RobertKennedyJr

Judicial Watch obtained 249 pages of records from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services detailing the extensive media plans for a propaganda campaign to push the COVID-19 vaccine.

childrenshealthdefense.orgFeds Cooked Up Detailed Propaganda Plan to Push COVID Shots, Documents RevealJudicial Watch obtained 249 pages of records from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services detailing the extensive media plans for a propaganda campaign to push the COVID-19 vaccine.

Forbidden History @FBNHistory

Stanley Johnson interview 2012. Father of the recently resigned British PM Boris Johnson speaks his views on population control & wants to reduce Britain’s population to around "10 or 15 million" by 2025.

Guesstimating Relative Risk of Mortality by Vaccination Status

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