It is hard to keep up with public water systems, or to even get a straight answer about anything. They have sophisticated defensive layers to avoid those inquiries.
What’s amazing to me is that 20+ years ago in my county when we built our house, it was not permissible to use grey water (laundry, sink, shower, bathtub) for irrigation, but now they want to force people to recycle and use BLACK water!
Nothing particularly new about this. Half a century ago I remember reading that water in the UK, where I hail from, went through nine people before we plebs got to drink it. We were assured any "impurities" were removed on sewage farms - mercifully usually sighted beyond sniffing distance of potential imbibers.
More recently, I read that "reading" sewage was one sure way of detecting whether or not the local population had been infected with the Covid virus. Which begs the obvious question: How certain can we be that we won't be swallowing a deadly, novel virus with our glass of recycled water?
Mind you, if you think is bad, just look up the dangers of drinking bottled water, full of indigestible plastic microparticles and heaven knows what else. We are all, by accident or design, being systematically poisoned by chmicals in a huge range of commercial products in addition to air and water pollution. Makes me wonder, sometimes, how I'm still alive and (occasionally) kicking at 85!
Then doubtless you, as did I, drank from a dirty garden hose as well as from spitty school faucets teeming with bacteria. I think we developed natural immunity from all this shit because of it.
That, for sure. I don't know if it's possible in the city though, and I think the goal of the poop-to-drinking-glass overlords is to get everybody to mega cities, hence, the effort...
I would have been happy to wash my rags in crappy water if they would have just given me the option of doing it under the warm comfort of incandescent lightbulbs. No way I’m doing it in a mercury vapor hue though...
They have been blocking sunlight with geoengineering for decades.
The Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai volcano eruption was the largest one in the planet's history, putting more water vapor in the air than any other. It also caused the observed heating of the world's oceans instead of humans.
I guess theoretically, if the water treatment equipment is super top-notch, it could be similar to how the big plants treat water. Except there (unless I'm mistaken) we "use" a whole extra layer/process of natural water treatment (i.e., letting water dissipate into the countryside, go up into clouds, rain down again, be collected into streams, then reservoirs). Which is impossible to do in a single-building concept. Also, the way I see it, it doesn't actually save water really - just instead of water going through a large cycle (including through nature, which can take a while to go around), it goes in a tiny cycle with a much greater potential for disaster. But it doesn't magically make more water appear on the planet. But it will cost enormous amounts of money to produce, install, and maintain all this thousands of mini water-treatment facilities, which all lose out on any "economy of size" advantages as well.
I agree that theoretically, there could be use for it. In fact, even practically, I am all for waster reuse to industrial purposes, to cool their beloved data centers, and so on. But like you say, in practice, the likelihood of it working correctly and consistently is low, and besides, the big issue is that the are not asking for people's opinions but just installing those things to create a lucrative new market out of thin air. :(
There is value in using recycled water for lots of things, but, because we have complete morons in charge, they will totally screw it up. While Communist California has the highest proportion of idiots in charge, outside of Washington, D.C., New York has the distinction of a marriage, not even a shotgun wedding, as both parties benefitted, between "Intelligence" meaning William, "Wild Bill" Donovan of the OSS, and later, John Foster Dulles (of the CIA, who orchestrated the murder of our beloved JFK, and the mob. Read Whitney Webb's painstakingly documented "One Nation Under Blackmail: the sordid union between Organized Crime and Intelligence which gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein." You won't have nightmares for the rest of your life, but you'll never trust any government ever again.
“I believe that everyone should be concerned about the increasing amount of gadolinium that is in our water supplies in the U.S. and around the world. We also need to consider the cumulative effects of ingesting gadolinium, even low levels of it repeatedly. If gadolinium is absorbed by the GI tract, many more people may be at risk of being affected by the long-term effects of gadolinium toxicity.”
Thank you for the NPR story!!! It's precious. And sorry for a delayed response, I was working on another story like a maniac and didn't even properly sleep!
I had another thought. The problem, as I see it, is not so much the fact that human wastes are upstream of this water; after all, the Chinese have used night soil on crops for millenia, and they built a great civilization. The worrisome problem is that sewage treatment plants take everything, including all the industrial wastes, which have really nasty chemicals in them. This is the main problem with putting sewage sludge on farmland.
A very old neighbour of mine told me that, when he was a young man, a local farmer used to collect the night soil from all the houses in the street and put it on his vegetable crops.
Eighty years ago that would have been fine, but nowadays I don't particularly want to be eating vegetables grown with the poop of the neighbour next door who is taking chemotherapy, or any of the woman who are on birth control or HRT....or indeed any of the other horribly toxic pharmaceuticals.
Industrial waste is yet another problem, and it's a big one! almost included in this article a link to the documentary about that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah0uS6Ef1cU
Meds too, as we have no way to get rid of a med we reacted to, or if it doesn't work. They made my old Pharmacist get rid of his huge jar of out-of-date pills as dangerous. Putting them in coffee grounds, then trash still puts it in the landfill, along with the poopy disposable diapers that take 500 yrs to decompose.
All theatre as whole countries in the Middle East use reverse osmosis and we never hear about that system. The deliberate humiliation and squeezing the masses into the feudal state of existence from all areas they can. What's the real meaning of the renaming of twitter with X. Remember Clade X simulation and all the other creepy X projects?
And here is a campaign for converting toilet water to drinking water
https://engineering.stanford.edu/magazine/cleanest-drinking-water-recycled
Yes, this is the goal.
It looks like they are succeeding somewhat, due to a combination of bribes, lack of transparency, and apathy!
It is hard to keep up with public water systems, or to even get a straight answer about anything. They have sophisticated defensive layers to avoid those inquiries.
DOUBLE YUCK!
No $hit (the pun is intended!)
Yep, I learned about the NPR article from @nymusicdaily (thank you!!)
What’s amazing to me is that 20+ years ago in my county when we built our house, it was not permissible to use grey water (laundry, sink, shower, bathtub) for irrigation, but now they want to force people to recycle and use BLACK water!
They knew best then, and they know best now!
Great point. :)
I know!!
Nothing particularly new about this. Half a century ago I remember reading that water in the UK, where I hail from, went through nine people before we plebs got to drink it. We were assured any "impurities" were removed on sewage farms - mercifully usually sighted beyond sniffing distance of potential imbibers.
More recently, I read that "reading" sewage was one sure way of detecting whether or not the local population had been infected with the Covid virus. Which begs the obvious question: How certain can we be that we won't be swallowing a deadly, novel virus with our glass of recycled water?
Mind you, if you think is bad, just look up the dangers of drinking bottled water, full of indigestible plastic microparticles and heaven knows what else. We are all, by accident or design, being systematically poisoned by chmicals in a huge range of commercial products in addition to air and water pollution. Makes me wonder, sometimes, how I'm still alive and (occasionally) kicking at 85!
I know!! And I am so glad that you are alive and kicking!!
Not to mention all the pharmaceuticals in the water.
That, too!
Then doubtless you, as did I, drank from a dirty garden hose as well as from spitty school faucets teeming with bacteria. I think we developed natural immunity from all this shit because of it.
Natural immunity? What appalling heresy. I hope Bill Gates has his ears covered!
Fuck Bill Gates and masks and vaccines and his fake meat and eat da bugs.
Bring on the SWAT. I'm too old to care.
Using compost toilets would be simpler and more sensible than pooping in the drinking water and then trying to strain the poop out of it for re-use.
That, for sure. I don't know if it's possible in the city though, and I think the goal of the poop-to-drinking-glass overlords is to get everybody to mega cities, hence, the effort...
I would have been happy to wash my rags in crappy water if they would have just given me the option of doing it under the warm comfort of incandescent lightbulbs. No way I’m doing it in a mercury vapor hue though...
Outrageous, the incandescent light-bulb ban. These are the only light bulbs which give full-spectrum lighting. They really do want to kill us all.
They have been blocking sunlight with geoengineering for decades.
The Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai volcano eruption was the largest one in the planet's history, putting more water vapor in the air than any other. It also caused the observed heating of the world's oceans instead of humans.
Then they should figure out some way to make large underwater volcanoes like Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai erupt.
I guess theoretically, if the water treatment equipment is super top-notch, it could be similar to how the big plants treat water. Except there (unless I'm mistaken) we "use" a whole extra layer/process of natural water treatment (i.e., letting water dissipate into the countryside, go up into clouds, rain down again, be collected into streams, then reservoirs). Which is impossible to do in a single-building concept. Also, the way I see it, it doesn't actually save water really - just instead of water going through a large cycle (including through nature, which can take a while to go around), it goes in a tiny cycle with a much greater potential for disaster. But it doesn't magically make more water appear on the planet. But it will cost enormous amounts of money to produce, install, and maintain all this thousands of mini water-treatment facilities, which all lose out on any "economy of size" advantages as well.
I agree that theoretically, there could be use for it. In fact, even practically, I am all for waster reuse to industrial purposes, to cool their beloved data centers, and so on. But like you say, in practice, the likelihood of it working correctly and consistently is low, and besides, the big issue is that the are not asking for people's opinions but just installing those things to create a lucrative new market out of thin air. :(
Excellent comment!
There is value in using recycled water for lots of things, but, because we have complete morons in charge, they will totally screw it up. While Communist California has the highest proportion of idiots in charge, outside of Washington, D.C., New York has the distinction of a marriage, not even a shotgun wedding, as both parties benefitted, between "Intelligence" meaning William, "Wild Bill" Donovan of the OSS, and later, John Foster Dulles (of the CIA, who orchestrated the murder of our beloved JFK, and the mob. Read Whitney Webb's painstakingly documented "One Nation Under Blackmail: the sordid union between Organized Crime and Intelligence which gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein." You won't have nightmares for the rest of your life, but you'll never trust any government ever again.
My grandpa's well water was cleaner, he used a charcoal cistern. I taste the chems in tap water as is.
Lots of chemicals there, and it is not even certain they kill all potential pathogens. Allegedly, chlorine doesn't kill protozoan cysts.
Gadolinium Levels in Water Supplies are Increasing: Is That Safe?
https://gadoliniumtoxicity.com/2020/07/10/gd-levels-in-water-increasing-is-that-safe/
“I believe that everyone should be concerned about the increasing amount of gadolinium that is in our water supplies in the U.S. and around the world. We also need to consider the cumulative effects of ingesting gadolinium, even low levels of it repeatedly. If gadolinium is absorbed by the GI tract, many more people may be at risk of being affected by the long-term effects of gadolinium toxicity.”
Sharon Williams, author
Glad I didn't eat before I read this. Yikes.
this is still the classic (i hate linking to npr but it makes sense that they would air this piece)
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/01/10/376182321/bill-gates-raises-a-glass-to-and-of-water-made-from-poop
and while we're on the topic of shit, remember how sewage was going to be the next great green fertilizer? didn't quite work out that way https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/tech/science/environment/pfas/maine-farmers-push-for-tens-of-millions-to-address-pfas-contamination-department-of-environmental-protection-maine-toxic-chemicals-sludge/97-b06a3902-a124-46ac-80db-c65b23045975
Thank you for the NPR story!!! It's precious. And sorry for a delayed response, I was working on another story like a maniac and didn't even properly sleep!
i didn't get much sleep either and i don't even have a good story to show for it...
Yeah, must we wait till the merde reaches the ventilator?
I am totally yucked out. I use a water distiller to get the chlorine out of tap water, and a shower filter.
I hear you!!!
Great entry, Tessa. Thanks for your straightforward address to this challenging problem.
I had another thought. The problem, as I see it, is not so much the fact that human wastes are upstream of this water; after all, the Chinese have used night soil on crops for millenia, and they built a great civilization. The worrisome problem is that sewage treatment plants take everything, including all the industrial wastes, which have really nasty chemicals in them. This is the main problem with putting sewage sludge on farmland.
A very old neighbour of mine told me that, when he was a young man, a local farmer used to collect the night soil from all the houses in the street and put it on his vegetable crops.
Eighty years ago that would have been fine, but nowadays I don't particularly want to be eating vegetables grown with the poop of the neighbour next door who is taking chemotherapy, or any of the woman who are on birth control or HRT....or indeed any of the other horribly toxic pharmaceuticals.
Industrial waste is yet another problem, and it's a big one! almost included in this article a link to the documentary about that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah0uS6Ef1cU
Meds too, as we have no way to get rid of a med we reacted to, or if it doesn't work. They made my old Pharmacist get rid of his huge jar of out-of-date pills as dangerous. Putting them in coffee grounds, then trash still puts it in the landfill, along with the poopy disposable diapers that take 500 yrs to decompose.
I remember reading years ago that it took less than 24 hours to drink your own waste in London.
Yikes!! Looks like there is a class action lawsuit that was just filed against water companies.
All theatre as whole countries in the Middle East use reverse osmosis and we never hear about that system. The deliberate humiliation and squeezing the masses into the feudal state of existence from all areas they can. What's the real meaning of the renaming of twitter with X. Remember Clade X simulation and all the other creepy X projects?