This is the result of 4 generations of under-educated but fully-indoctrinated children who were allowed to grow-up without becoming adults: the "Cult of Alinsky."
They were there; they were In the '50s. Did you learn about evolution in school, and did you also learn about intelligent design/creation, or just evolution? Did you learn what a great American Lincoln was, or did you hear about the ways he trampled on our Constitution over MONEY? Were you taught we had a civil war, or did you learn that the seceded states already had their own gov't and Constitution, when Lincoln refused to remove his troops from Ft Sumpter, in Charleston Harbor in then foreign territory, upon request he do so? And then he had his troops invade northern VA a few months later? I learned those in the '50s and early '60s in school, and after graduation learned some real unpleasant truths: unpleasant because they were a shock; it always is when you find out you've been lied to about important matters. Unless we learn the truth we cannot learn the lessons intended, and avoid repeating them. But our schools have not taught truth in decades.
Oh yes those I was taught, and over the last few years when I learned the real truths, it indeed was quite a shock to me. My comment was geared more towards the current indoctrinations. I think the biggest shocks for me was the 1871 DC corporation act and 9/11 to be honest. I was still pretty young during 9/11 and the 08 meltdown, probably because I naive enough to never think our government would be that evil, but damn was I awakened over all those. Also my former co worker years ago.. I was listening to the radio during work and npr was running some global warming crap, I told her about how they were saying the coastlines would be flooded. She got pissed and told me to look up a time magazine cover from the 1970s I believe, she said they were doing the same crap back when she was a kid. That really opened me eyes
They were; I'm still waiting for the ice age they promised us for the early '70s. I remember back to when Truman was still POTUS, and Ike's 1st run. I had a lot to unlearn, even from those yrs. But once I started, there was no going back. What's really disturbing is that my Dad was an history teacher in the late '30s, before the Navy firmly planted his feet in the clouds ( piloting), and HE believed a lot of that same pack of lies we got fed too. So the lying was going on in the '1920s at least, already!
Great replies. As a 19th Century Refugee, my grandparents were born in the 1870s, and they represent the last generation of Americans not subjected to domestic propaganda ops. The situation worsened dramatically with the advent of electronic communication, and Obama drove the final nail with the Smith / Mundt Modernization Act, which directly authorizes the federal government to use information fraud against its citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith–Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012
Mine were born here in the late 1880s & 1890s, but I'm not so sure they missed the propaganda entirely; in Feb of1871,our Congress voted DC (our Federal gov"t in its entirety), a private corporation, ripping control from"we the people". In 1913, with ratification of the 16th ,and 17th Amendments the Constitution, the last shreds of control were severed; our economy was in the hands and control of foreign nationals, and the states threw away the last shreds of control over gov't actions. Our grandparents were young adults then, building careers, starting and raising their families. Most of this happened under the radar, probably without their knowledge, until it was done, just like they do things now. I think the only difference is that the propaganda was not so "in your face" open. The left no longer cars that we know.
A - There are legitimate polls, randomized, respondents representative of the population.
B - There are push polls where the linguistic framing of questions is known to drive a desired response and change the beliefs of a respondent.
C - There are polls on subjects with known rightthink and wrongthink where respondents will lie to pollsters when they believe a 'wrong' answer will make them sound like 'bad' people to the questioner, but retain their 'wrong' beliefs.
D - There are polls that are fictional, narratives being pushed with completely made up numbers, non-randomized samples intended to make people believe a subject is popular or unpopular.
That French travel poll is some combination of B, C, and D. I'm leaning towards D.
A frequent goal of D is to make people believe it's A. To black pill readers. Diminish opposition so they give up, "what's the point, all is lost." It's mind-farkery to break the will of resistance, "it's futile." An effective weapon in an information war for our minds.
Don't indulge. And don't give it your energy. Energy is power, it manifests into reality. Deprive them of your energy. It's B-D, most likely D. Treat accordingly. And those who actually believe it should be mocked. Ceaselessly. Remember when they mocked non-maskers and non-vaxxers? It works at generating groupthink. Don't allow the no travel flight concept to grow roots into minds. It's most vulnerable when it's just a seed before roots grow. Mock, shame and ridicule is a powerful weapon we can start using, too, not just for the authoritarians.
You are so right about this! Thank you for posting Tessa. I saw this or something like it, announcing short flights every three years, and started IMAGINING not being able to travel. How many people dream of going to bucket list places or beautiful escapes and that is the very day dream that allows them to get through routine or misery or illness? They want our very dreams destroyed. Every institution, every level of being. It is so saturating that I'm beginning to entertain the idea of interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians. It f**cks with one's imagination. This afternoon it occurred to me that when the Blue Beam CGI AI holographic aliens arrive, they will announce, that not unlike the decimation of the indigenous by the diseases of the conquistadors, we will be extinguished by their normal diseases if we do not take their vaccine. A shiney syringe in the Klatu Barada Nicto's webbed fingers. What a colonization of the imagination itself.
You are right as it sounds like some of the "polls" use similar wording and tactics that were included in the tests I gave to people in graduate school to evaluate for mental illness and personality types, (example, MMPI). We used these tests or "polls" to identify who should be put under a psychiatrists experimental and involuntary care or not, and who could easily be a member of a cult, like the Church of Scientology. It was something I participated in that I am not proud of.
I think most of what was done in Psychiatry was experimental and driven by the Pharmaceutical companies who made the drugs for people diagnosed with the book that defined the diagnoses. It was the bible every counselor and psychiatrist used to treat those who they evaluated.
I'm a French citizen and see no evidence of this. Polls tend to be absurd and this one seems more suspect than others. It appears to have been conducted with the goal of validating the idea that the French would agree to the goal of reducing their amount of air travel in the medium term (that is a literal translation). Once they got general agreement on that (I would agree with that myself, since it sounds like a reasonable Lenten resolution), they found a way of slipping in the idea of only 4 flights in a lifetime. How they did that I have no idea, but I suspect they proposed it as a hypothetical. These phony polls never give you the text of the questions or their methodology. I see no reason for taking these so-called "findings" seriously. In this age of propaganda, language, statistics and much of what calls itself science reporting all tend to be just a ruse for selling something, a product, an ideology or just an excuse for getting into the news cycle.
Thank you, Peter! I generally don't take polls seriously (including this one), what I take seriously is slipping ideas into people's minds that normalize absurdities. And "slipping ideas" (your words, thank you, and I use that phrase as well because it really seems to be the case) is treacherous. So the way I see it, "the poll is not very important perhaps but the fact that it exists speaks of an intention to usher the society in that direction, and I don't like it).
Yes, our culture has cultivated the art of "slipping a mickey" to get people to do things they either don't want to do or shouldn't do. This is an extremely dangerous trend. It destroys whatever tenuous notion of trust our consumer society ever had. And as a consumer society, we used to consume goods, products, food and spirits. Now we are fed mind-distorting lies, often in a scientific disguise.
I believe the term the communication people use is nudging. Unfortunately it was highly effective with CoVid regulations and vaccines so you can bet they are turning up the volume on their next control ideology - the “so-called” (I’m using that term because it’s their very own one to nudge people into believing a thing or an idea is not really valid and has been used extensively these past 3 years) Climate EMERGENCY. Stay strong critical thinkers and question everything that comes out of a traitorous WEF’s mouth!
Yes! The intention to seed this crappy crazy totalitarian shite is screamingly obvious! And yes... that is very very dangerous. We are already clinging to a slippery slope and watching people slide down it past us.
There are many psychological rewards for taking the polls and many times there are physical goodies for taking them. Not a good sign as it means "coercion and manipulation," is involved. Most of the polls do not tell you the real reason behind administrating them!
yes, I think Jim Lee at climateviewer.com has quite a lot to say about that. However, he does make a pretty convincing case that jets are causing a lot of the problems. ( not ground level CO2 ) Well along with, of course, governments and other nefarious actors tampering with the weather.
I would be just as happy to take a train whenever possible as to fly, every time I'm in an airport I feel like I'm being funneled into the gas Chambers or something...
I like trains, too, but.... :) The way I see it, it's the existence of this poll that is striking (assuming it is for real, which it seems to be). Like, do they do polls about whether we should euthanize all pets? They might at some point but now it's outrageous. How is this one not outrageous to even.... ?
They've skipped the poll about euthanizing our pets and leapfrogged right over to seeding the noble idea of euthanizing our grandparents, parents and/or our depressed young people.
I saw that poll that was widely reported on European press (Italian , UK checked myself directly).
Unfortunately I think that this is a fake poll to manipulate the mind of poor people... pls consider that France has a lot of so called DOM TOM ie oversees territories, all quite far and reachable by plane only: all the French Antilles in the Caribbean; Martinique in the Indian Ocean and quite a few islands in the Pacific. Not to mention all the former colonies especially in Africa that have a special relationship. With France.
All the French citizens living in those countries DO fly a lot and at a discount cost... and French in mainland consider that as normal ..I would find quite odd if such a % of French basically decided to give up their extended countries !
I really feel that this was a fake piece of news placed by the EU establishment !
how would that work with active duty military & their families stationed overseas? people who travel for their job? families scattered hither and yon around the globe? personally i think it's ludicrous. totalitarian creep indeed.
Bloody Hell, man. Who’d ask such a question in the first place, what’s their agenda and how simple are the sheeple who answered in the affirmative, if you can believe the cooked results? Or should I say, baked? Considering Most aircraft are going totally electric in a very short time, even jets, and with technology evolving the way it is so to totally eliminate the “pollution question” and finally drive the price of electricity down to it’s true cost, ZERO, which Benjamin Franklin and then Tesla understood over a century ago, you must believe this has everything to do with Fascist Authoritarianisms; Eugenicist Slavers and their insane slaves dedicated to end real independence and grassroots democracy. And so I ask, again, who and what’s behind this, because that answer is more important than this stupid poll question.
Yes, any day now, planes will be electric...just like how any day now nuclear fusion will be used....NOT.....we do not have the infrastructure to charge airplanes just as we do not have the infrastructure to charge cars. It's a pipe dream.
But, jacquelyn, we already have passenger electric planes & helicopters for private and military use, as well as electric drones for packages going on over ten years now, and electric alcohol/hydrogen fuel cell rotor engines and jets have been in the works and tested already.
Electricity is virtually free, if we thinking humans can ever get past the few ultra-rich money-junkies insisting upon selling an abundance made scarce and all of the negative-nancy bots & sheeple obstructing human progress to build for it; no need to pray for miracles, no new technology needed, and no need to burn any other energy or rely on dangerous nuclear power either.
Tessa, I saw that poll myself and it startled me right out of my pants! I was a student in Soviet Leningrad for 6 months back in the 80's and I was deeply affected by my experience of a highly intelligent, creative, sensitive and beautiful people who were, through no fault of their own, ignorant of so many domains of modern ideas and the human conversation that was happening in other places across the globe. How crucial our experience of other people in other countries is to our ability to assess the truth of what we are told through captured media! I thank God every day for our citizen journalists, some who even muster funds to travel to the frontlines of war to give us the unauthorized version of events. The sentiment expressed in this poll is truly, truly shocking. On the other hand... Do we really believe the poll is representative of such a significant swath of young people?
This is the result of 4 generations of under-educated but fully-indoctrinated children who were allowed to grow-up without becoming adults: the "Cult of Alinsky."
Crazy how fast it came on. I graduated in 2003 and I did not see any indoctrination courses like today.
They were there; they were In the '50s. Did you learn about evolution in school, and did you also learn about intelligent design/creation, or just evolution? Did you learn what a great American Lincoln was, or did you hear about the ways he trampled on our Constitution over MONEY? Were you taught we had a civil war, or did you learn that the seceded states already had their own gov't and Constitution, when Lincoln refused to remove his troops from Ft Sumpter, in Charleston Harbor in then foreign territory, upon request he do so? And then he had his troops invade northern VA a few months later? I learned those in the '50s and early '60s in school, and after graduation learned some real unpleasant truths: unpleasant because they were a shock; it always is when you find out you've been lied to about important matters. Unless we learn the truth we cannot learn the lessons intended, and avoid repeating them. But our schools have not taught truth in decades.
Oh yes those I was taught, and over the last few years when I learned the real truths, it indeed was quite a shock to me. My comment was geared more towards the current indoctrinations. I think the biggest shocks for me was the 1871 DC corporation act and 9/11 to be honest. I was still pretty young during 9/11 and the 08 meltdown, probably because I naive enough to never think our government would be that evil, but damn was I awakened over all those. Also my former co worker years ago.. I was listening to the radio during work and npr was running some global warming crap, I told her about how they were saying the coastlines would be flooded. She got pissed and told me to look up a time magazine cover from the 1970s I believe, she said they were doing the same crap back when she was a kid. That really opened me eyes
They were; I'm still waiting for the ice age they promised us for the early '70s. I remember back to when Truman was still POTUS, and Ike's 1st run. I had a lot to unlearn, even from those yrs. But once I started, there was no going back. What's really disturbing is that my Dad was an history teacher in the late '30s, before the Navy firmly planted his feet in the clouds ( piloting), and HE believed a lot of that same pack of lies we got fed too. So the lying was going on in the '1920s at least, already!
Great replies. As a 19th Century Refugee, my grandparents were born in the 1870s, and they represent the last generation of Americans not subjected to domestic propaganda ops. The situation worsened dramatically with the advent of electronic communication, and Obama drove the final nail with the Smith / Mundt Modernization Act, which directly authorizes the federal government to use information fraud against its citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith–Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012
Mine were born here in the late 1880s & 1890s, but I'm not so sure they missed the propaganda entirely; in Feb of1871,our Congress voted DC (our Federal gov"t in its entirety), a private corporation, ripping control from"we the people". In 1913, with ratification of the 16th ,and 17th Amendments the Constitution, the last shreds of control were severed; our economy was in the hands and control of foreign nationals, and the states threw away the last shreds of control over gov't actions. Our grandparents were young adults then, building careers, starting and raising their families. Most of this happened under the radar, probably without their knowledge, until it was done, just like they do things now. I think the only difference is that the propaganda was not so "in your face" open. The left no longer cars that we know.
A - There are legitimate polls, randomized, respondents representative of the population.
B - There are push polls where the linguistic framing of questions is known to drive a desired response and change the beliefs of a respondent.
C - There are polls on subjects with known rightthink and wrongthink where respondents will lie to pollsters when they believe a 'wrong' answer will make them sound like 'bad' people to the questioner, but retain their 'wrong' beliefs.
D - There are polls that are fictional, narratives being pushed with completely made up numbers, non-randomized samples intended to make people believe a subject is popular or unpopular.
That French travel poll is some combination of B, C, and D. I'm leaning towards D.
I agree.
I hope so but wouldn't be surprised if it's A-C
A frequent goal of D is to make people believe it's A. To black pill readers. Diminish opposition so they give up, "what's the point, all is lost." It's mind-farkery to break the will of resistance, "it's futile." An effective weapon in an information war for our minds.
Don't indulge. And don't give it your energy. Energy is power, it manifests into reality. Deprive them of your energy. It's B-D, most likely D. Treat accordingly. And those who actually believe it should be mocked. Ceaselessly. Remember when they mocked non-maskers and non-vaxxers? It works at generating groupthink. Don't allow the no travel flight concept to grow roots into minds. It's most vulnerable when it's just a seed before roots grow. Mock, shame and ridicule is a powerful weapon we can start using, too, not just for the authoritarians.
You are so right about this! Thank you for posting Tessa. I saw this or something like it, announcing short flights every three years, and started IMAGINING not being able to travel. How many people dream of going to bucket list places or beautiful escapes and that is the very day dream that allows them to get through routine or misery or illness? They want our very dreams destroyed. Every institution, every level of being. It is so saturating that I'm beginning to entertain the idea of interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians. It f**cks with one's imagination. This afternoon it occurred to me that when the Blue Beam CGI AI holographic aliens arrive, they will announce, that not unlike the decimation of the indigenous by the diseases of the conquistadors, we will be extinguished by their normal diseases if we do not take their vaccine. A shiney syringe in the Klatu Barada Nicto's webbed fingers. What a colonization of the imagination itself.
E) Being pushed by the World Economic Forum which has infiltrated governments worldwide
Ftw
You are right as it sounds like some of the "polls" use similar wording and tactics that were included in the tests I gave to people in graduate school to evaluate for mental illness and personality types, (example, MMPI). We used these tests or "polls" to identify who should be put under a psychiatrists experimental and involuntary care or not, and who could easily be a member of a cult, like the Church of Scientology. It was something I participated in that I am not proud of.
Really!? They were being given assessments under false pretenses? The hubris of academics is amazing!
I think most of what was done in Psychiatry was experimental and driven by the Pharmaceutical companies who made the drugs for people diagnosed with the book that defined the diagnoses. It was the bible every counselor and psychiatrist used to treat those who they evaluated.
Here's hoping you're correct.
I'm a French citizen and see no evidence of this. Polls tend to be absurd and this one seems more suspect than others. It appears to have been conducted with the goal of validating the idea that the French would agree to the goal of reducing their amount of air travel in the medium term (that is a literal translation). Once they got general agreement on that (I would agree with that myself, since it sounds like a reasonable Lenten resolution), they found a way of slipping in the idea of only 4 flights in a lifetime. How they did that I have no idea, but I suspect they proposed it as a hypothetical. These phony polls never give you the text of the questions or their methodology. I see no reason for taking these so-called "findings" seriously. In this age of propaganda, language, statistics and much of what calls itself science reporting all tend to be just a ruse for selling something, a product, an ideology or just an excuse for getting into the news cycle.
Thank you, Peter! I generally don't take polls seriously (including this one), what I take seriously is slipping ideas into people's minds that normalize absurdities. And "slipping ideas" (your words, thank you, and I use that phrase as well because it really seems to be the case) is treacherous. So the way I see it, "the poll is not very important perhaps but the fact that it exists speaks of an intention to usher the society in that direction, and I don't like it).
Yes, our culture has cultivated the art of "slipping a mickey" to get people to do things they either don't want to do or shouldn't do. This is an extremely dangerous trend. It destroys whatever tenuous notion of trust our consumer society ever had. And as a consumer society, we used to consume goods, products, food and spirits. Now we are fed mind-distorting lies, often in a scientific disguise.
I believe the term the communication people use is nudging. Unfortunately it was highly effective with CoVid regulations and vaccines so you can bet they are turning up the volume on their next control ideology - the “so-called” (I’m using that term because it’s their very own one to nudge people into believing a thing or an idea is not really valid and has been used extensively these past 3 years) Climate EMERGENCY. Stay strong critical thinkers and question everything that comes out of a traitorous WEF’s mouth!
yes, right, there is even a book called Nudge that lays out the strategy.
Yes! The intention to seed this crappy crazy totalitarian shite is screamingly obvious! And yes... that is very very dangerous. We are already clinging to a slippery slope and watching people slide down it past us.
There are many psychological rewards for taking the polls and many times there are physical goodies for taking them. Not a good sign as it means "coercion and manipulation," is involved. Most of the polls do not tell you the real reason behind administrating them!
This 1 is probably the "wet dream" of some "climate" fanatics.
lol
To Laugh so as not to weep... I love your sardonic sense of humor, Tessa.
Thank you, Pim!
If only they knew that in historical data, co2 rises w a lag AFTER temperature.
But as long as the "experts" and groups bullshit us, people will go along with that nonsense.
Whatever...
yes, I think Jim Lee at climateviewer.com has quite a lot to say about that. However, he does make a pretty convincing case that jets are causing a lot of the problems. ( not ground level CO2 ) Well along with, of course, governments and other nefarious actors tampering with the weather.
I would be just as happy to take a train whenever possible as to fly, every time I'm in an airport I feel like I'm being funneled into the gas Chambers or something...
Yeah. One of the most shocking things to witness is the way people will self sabotage, thinking their compliance will somehow save them.
les francais aiment bien leurs trains (i think everybody can figure that out)
they're the last people anyone would want to ask about planes.
it's all about framing. what a scam.
I like trains, too, but.... :) The way I see it, it's the existence of this poll that is striking (assuming it is for real, which it seems to be). Like, do they do polls about whether we should euthanize all pets? They might at some point but now it's outrageous. How is this one not outrageous to even.... ?
i know i sound like a broken record, but this is all an experiment.
to see how well the propaganda worked? to see how much righteous outrage this provokes?
remember when cannibalism was a thing in the corporate media a couple of years ago?
Yep
They've skipped the poll about euthanizing our pets and leapfrogged right over to seeding the noble idea of euthanizing our grandparents, parents and/or our depressed young people.
Today is not the day to talk about good trains in UK ;-) Not the first time I've heard polls like this
They never rode a "cinder spitter", obviously!
Hallo Tessa
I saw that poll that was widely reported on European press (Italian , UK checked myself directly).
Unfortunately I think that this is a fake poll to manipulate the mind of poor people... pls consider that France has a lot of so called DOM TOM ie oversees territories, all quite far and reachable by plane only: all the French Antilles in the Caribbean; Martinique in the Indian Ocean and quite a few islands in the Pacific. Not to mention all the former colonies especially in Africa that have a special relationship. With France.
All the French citizens living in those countries DO fly a lot and at a discount cost... and French in mainland consider that as normal ..I would find quite odd if such a % of French basically decided to give up their extended countries !
I really feel that this was a fake piece of news placed by the EU establishment !
Polls, like MSM, are tools meant to nudge the masses. They’re about as honest as the typical politician. The globalists are at work as usual...
how would that work with active duty military & their families stationed overseas? people who travel for their job? families scattered hither and yon around the globe? personally i think it's ludicrous. totalitarian creep indeed.
Not at all.
Bloody Hell, man. Who’d ask such a question in the first place, what’s their agenda and how simple are the sheeple who answered in the affirmative, if you can believe the cooked results? Or should I say, baked? Considering Most aircraft are going totally electric in a very short time, even jets, and with technology evolving the way it is so to totally eliminate the “pollution question” and finally drive the price of electricity down to it’s true cost, ZERO, which Benjamin Franklin and then Tesla understood over a century ago, you must believe this has everything to do with Fascist Authoritarianisms; Eugenicist Slavers and their insane slaves dedicated to end real independence and grassroots democracy. And so I ask, again, who and what’s behind this, because that answer is more important than this stupid poll question.
Yes, any day now, planes will be electric...just like how any day now nuclear fusion will be used....NOT.....we do not have the infrastructure to charge airplanes just as we do not have the infrastructure to charge cars. It's a pipe dream.
But, jacquelyn, we already have passenger electric planes & helicopters for private and military use, as well as electric drones for packages going on over ten years now, and electric alcohol/hydrogen fuel cell rotor engines and jets have been in the works and tested already.
Electricity is virtually free, if we thinking humans can ever get past the few ultra-rich money-junkies insisting upon selling an abundance made scarce and all of the negative-nancy bots & sheeple obstructing human progress to build for it; no need to pray for miracles, no new technology needed, and no need to burn any other energy or rely on dangerous nuclear power either.
Oh, I must be missing something. My electricity company keeps sending me a bill every month! What are they hiding from me?
🧠👈🏽
One, I don't believe it (or any other polls), two, that's why they say it is a French Poll.
fear everywhere... but especially among the young... what a shame... what a departure from the age-old habits of young people to live dangerously....
Tessa, I saw that poll myself and it startled me right out of my pants! I was a student in Soviet Leningrad for 6 months back in the 80's and I was deeply affected by my experience of a highly intelligent, creative, sensitive and beautiful people who were, through no fault of their own, ignorant of so many domains of modern ideas and the human conversation that was happening in other places across the globe. How crucial our experience of other people in other countries is to our ability to assess the truth of what we are told through captured media! I thank God every day for our citizen journalists, some who even muster funds to travel to the frontlines of war to give us the unauthorized version of events. The sentiment expressed in this poll is truly, truly shocking. On the other hand... Do we really believe the poll is representative of such a significant swath of young people?
Ok, given that the poll in question is probably bs, think about the next question on the poll: how many private flights will elites be allowed?
Hahaha
With the exception of anyone owning an airplane, or shares of one, of course.
Comrade statue-washer get to go to the beech outside Königsberg once per year, in Oktober.
Comrade oligark gets a dacha on the Black Sea.