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Great conversation, all it of, thanks. Re the 'extermination' of the American Indians, I think we use that word, but for those Indians still alive and well, it doesn't fit and perpetuates the idea that we killed them off. I think they beg to differ, as much as their culture was deciimated it was not entirely elimated. This link begins to speak to some of the American Indians more recent progress and achievments http://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/american-indian. I am not sure they agree with our assessment that they were exterminated, I think its a perpetuation of the myth. We were ALMOST successful, partially successful, so not successful.

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That's a very good point, Jacquelyn! A lot of people were murdered, land was largely expropriated, and cultural roots were attacked with the most devastating consequences, but the original people of this land are very much still here despite all the adversities and the great resets they have been subjected to! And I think those of us with largely European ancestry whose people went through a similar process significantly earlier in history have a lot to learn from the past five hundred years in this hemisphere. And we all have a lot of truth acknowledgement, no-BS soul searching (that has nothing to do with political correctness but with our spiritual strength) and mutual healing to do!

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Thanks Tessa...my cells told me not to get that jab, my cells are smarter than me!!! Best ya

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Feb 27, 2023·edited Feb 27, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Thanks for the comment Jacquelyn. I attempted to outline how despite genocidal pressures the many different indigenous peoples of what is now called North America did (in many cases) courageously preserve their wisdom and culture (and how the dominant western culture desperately needs to learn from their traditional Animate worldview now) in this article. https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-anthropocentrism-bright

I also attempted to expose what I describe as "The Continuity of Colonialism" all the way from the Buffalo wars/genocide up until present day, where here in Canada (and in the US) imperialistic colonialism continues to push forward, in the form of corporations, corrupt government decrees, corrupt judicial rulings and police being weaponized as corporate mercenaries so they can continue to steal indigenous people's land and pillage the Earth.

For instance, are you aware of what is happening to the Wet'suwet'en people in Northern BC right now (and has been happening since 2019)?

The reason I outlined this unbroken line of “The Continuity of Colonialism” in my article linked above is to dispel the comforting fallacy that some modern day Canadians and Americans tell themselves that says “ya the government, corporations, military and corrupt police did bad things to indigenous peoples in the past, but that was a long time ago and things are different now”.

No, things are not different now, the Colonialism never stopped, it just changed gears, it put on a mask and now it is enforced by judges, government edicts, propaganda and corrupt police acting as corporate enforcers (instead of army soldiers massacring villages to make the way for railroads and giving First Nation women and children small pox infected blankets).

Now here we are present day. Colonialism has taken on new forms such as the colonization of the minds of people of all colors and creeds through governments and corporations using social media and AI Chat bots as a weapon or colonization of the genetic fabric of life (through biopiracy racketeering operations that use corrupt laws to patent seeds and other organisms and through mRNA injections that contaminate the human genome) yet in many ways its ravenous lust to steal the lands of indigenous peoples and pillage the body of the Earth remains the same yet it is presented with new slogans such as “sustainable development” and “renewable energy”. The only thing that has changed is that now the colonizers are targeting all of us (regardless of our ethnicity).

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Thank you Gavin!!!! So important to see through the noise and acknowledge the root of the crap that we are dealing with!!

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Thanks for reading what I shared and for sparking this discussion.

I would value hearing your thoughts on my article if you have a chance to read it all (its super duper long!) :)

As always, much love and respect from the north.

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LylaJune.com, wow.

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Feb 28, 2023·edited Feb 28, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

I know right! I find her music and poetry to be very beautiful and moving. I especially love this poem https://lylajune.bandcamp.com/track/and-god-is-the-water

She is also extremely intelligent and knowledgeable about food forests.

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just seeing this today, thank you so for your detailed response Gavin Mounsey! Will read.

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Seems to me Indian reservations are abominable. "Here, we'll give you some barren land and meager support away from your conquerors and you can drink yourselves to death if you so choose." Of course, the Chumash in California have taken advantage of legalized gambling to flourish quite well doing something illegal for anyone else to do except the state. How many people are financially ruined gambling? Dissolve borders and the state. Until then, people will not be free. Anarchy rules.

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Feb 28, 2023·edited Feb 28, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Steve.

Yes the reservations were and are a very disturbing expression of dehumanization, apathy and (in some cases) malice. The reservations, were, in some cases, literally designed to starve people to death (first the US military and railroad barons killed all the Buffalo, then rounded up the surviving indigenous peoples, gave them non-arable land, threatened them that if they left they would be shot, and then often failed to provide them with the supplies promised).

I sometimes wonder if the government made that whole gambling casino aspect readily available to people on reservations as a different type of colonization, to intentionally nurture addictions that would make them easier to control through greed. There were some casinos on the reservations where I lived in BC as well but other indigenous community leaders on some of the reservations got into viticulture instead. Those people were making wine and selling it for top dollar but not being taxed, they became one of the wealthiest bands in BC. Though that being said, no amount of money can make up for a deep connection to the land, intentionally created food forests that provide food and medicine for generations and the True Wealth that comes with living in a community bound together by a 'gift economy' (which was how many of the indigenous peoples lived before the Europeans arrived).

I share your sentiments about the immorality and oppressive nature of statism. I think this indigenous man (John "Lame Deer") said it well when he said https://archive.org/details/john-fire-lame-deer-sioux-lakota-1903-1976-copy-copy

Did you happen to read my article that I linked above (that explores what is being done to the land of various indigenous peoples in Canada and the US (even now) in BC and Nevada?

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Thank you for your comments. We agree for the most part. No, I didn't read that article. I'm swamped with information and still trying to live a quasi-normal life with nature and regular people.

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Feb 26, 2023·edited Feb 26, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Another excellent interview Tessa! On a similar note, my friend, Rob MyJob, wrote a song called "The Normal That Is New." I wrote about the video I made for that song here, absurdity reigns: https://sanefrancisco.substack.com/p/big-news-the-music-video-for-the

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Thank you, Jet Aime! :) And also thank you for the link!! xoxo

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Feb 26, 2023·edited Feb 26, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

You're welcome! PS the direct link to the video on Youtube is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzZf2QnXko

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If we can't defend our rights, we don't have any rights.

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True that!

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We also have to have an opinion on the matter.

Incredibly, there are people who have no position on what constitutes a right.

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Feb 27, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

I so enjoyed listening to this conversation. Thanks to you both. I felt a true kinship present while listening while working in my kitchen.😉🤗 Thank you so much!

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Thank you, Kelly!! Dr. Garcia is an incredibly impressive human being!!

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Feb 27, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Agreed! Truly refreshing listening!!🤗

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In 2020, I coined the phrase 'The New Absurd' and never engendered laughs in public spaces. Like CJ Hopkins (but with less satirical talent) I stopped being funny in that same year.

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Great conversation... Glad you brought up Steven Newcomb... (who rustled through the dialogue for half an hour prior to your mention) Thanks to you, I've read his magnificent 'Pagans in the Promised Land' and seen the documentary it gave rise to, and the sources mentioned in it. And though I might not have conceived of it as an "earlier reset", even before Newcomb I've always known this famous American Liberty was one side of the coin at best (Newcomb mentions this too, he mentions Benjamin Franklin's secret thoughts/letters).

And what a joy to hear Dr. Emanual Garcia speak... someone in the resistence who knows his Catullus, wow! I thought it'd never happen (Catullus as a sublime poet & as a stand-in for pre-Christian culture

- with it's own shadows, as Emanuel rightly remarks). Again, thank you so much!

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Thank you, Pim!! Steve is really brilliant. Have you seen the interviews with him?

https://tessa.substack.com/p/great-reset-doctrine-domination

And Dr. Garcia, is of course, extraordinary (and so talented)!!

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Yes I did - both of your interviews, Tessa. In the most recent one (he's wearing a rose-red sweater instead of a blue one), there is an amusing, even slightly tantalizing tension afoot; it has to do with him not terribly eager to engage in - let's say - conspiracy talk; which he does, after some 'civilized urging' (hahaha) on your part, by subsuming it under the rubric of the domination code. Which I feel is both clever and true.

Watching other gatherings where he does a presentation, I found it somewhat disheartening to see those good people behind masks, but... not he!

Oh, and now that I'm at it: I am (belatedly...) putting up a substack, in which I include "Tessa Fights Robots" in the recommendations. Or should that be 'Make Language Great Again"? (great slogan!)

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Feb 26, 2023Liked by Tessa Lena

Here in lackey Canada, we are more than just hewers of wood, and drawers of water, with our role in NORAD we provide space for the nukes shot out of the sky. At least a person who lives New Zealand will not be vaporized. Make sure you have some Prussian Blue and Lugol's Iodine on hand. I have a feeling the homeland is going to bring it home. I am wondering if they are dumbing down the psychiatrists, are they doing the same to psychologist?

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The medicalization of psychiatry is NOT 'off to the side'. Before 1920, psychoanalysts were ANALYZING the varieties of humans in the same way that entomologists analyze the varieties of mosquitoes. After 1920, psychiatry joined the "enlightenment" view that all humans are identical passive particles, who can be modified in any direction by externally applied forces like chemicals.

If psychoANALYSTS had continued the old way of ANALYZING, we'd have more official and scientific recognition of the character of psychopaths. When we refuse to recognize the innate types of humans, we are unable to keep the bad types out of power.

The current monstrosity has only a slight 'off to the side' connection with microscopic pathogens. The monstrosity is entirely caused by giant psychopathogens.

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Feb 26, 2023·edited Feb 26, 2023Author

Personally, I think that the good and helpful things in psychoanalysis come from the good hearts of the people who practice it and from the experience of being listened to rather than from any fancy theory. Some who practice it have good hearts, some don't, some are in balance, and some are a mess, and so when the person practicing it has a good heart and is in balance, then the person on the receiving end benefits. All in all, the theory was largely stolen from, again, old traditional cultures (that today we call indigenous) as they usually have a very in-depth and thorough understanding of the human psyche, unadulterated by all sorts of fantasy that came later, as life became more comfortable. But we are not taught that, we are taught almost the opposite of it.

So in a way, the medicalization and weaponization of psychiatry is an almost logical development but none the less, as it is in other areas, the people who good hearts take what they are given and use it toward beauty and healing (and those with not so good hearts use it for crap). That is my theory about it!

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i agree with Garcia, in that Desmet didn't fully appreciate the manufactured psychosis.

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I am enjoying listening to this conversation (I am about half way through). I like your analogy about humanity being like an irresponsible teen age boy, beating his chest and saying "look at me i`m the best and i'm invincible" :) Thanks for sharing that one Tessa, it made me smile.

I like Dr. Emanuel Garcia as a person but I do not share his romanticized views of the "beautiful" ideals of 'democracy'.

In my opinion, Statism (what ever flavor it is , whether "democracy", "communism", "socialism", "fascism" or any other ism) is inherently immoral. I see all forms of involuntary governance (including 'democracy', not that we have ever had a real functioning democracy to begin with) as nothing more than glorified multi-generational crime cartels.

I do not accept violent coercion and involuntary governance as being a means to 'preserve freedom' or 'provide security' or any of the other propaganda lines we are fed, it is a means to enslave and a means for a small group of humans to feed on a larger group of humans, like parasites.

I agree with James Corbett when he said "No, I do not want better elections. I do not want to "clean up the system." I do not want to "get the money out of politics" and "make sure every vote is counted" and "drain the swamp" so we can "Make America [or any other geographical area] Great Again."

The state is not a benevolent force, despite what the most brainwashed of statists believe. It is not even a neutral tool that can be used for good or ill, as those who consider themselves pragmatists believe. It is violence. It is force. It is aggression. It is people believing that what is wrong for any individual to do is perfectly OK if an agent of the state does it.

If I steal, it is theft. If the state steals, it is taxation. If I kill, it is murder. If the state kills, it is warfare. If I force someone to work for me involuntarily, it is slavery. If the state does it, it is conscription. If I confine someone against their will, it is kidnapping. If the state does it, it is incarceration. Nothing has changed but the label.

What binds us to the state is the belief that there is a different morality for anything that has been sanctified through the political process. "Oh, 50%+1 of the population voted for forced vaccinations? Then I guess we have to comply." If you scoff at that sentence, how about if the vote were 100%-1? Would that change the morality of resistance? How about if forced vaccinations were mandated by the constitution? Then would you be compelled to submit?

Does the ballot box transform the unethical into the ethical? Of course not. But I'll tell you what it does do: It makes everyone who casts their ballot a part of the process that legitimizes the murder and violence committed by agents of the state.

No, I am not an efficiency manager for the state. I do not want to help it do its job of inflicting aggression and violence on peaceful people. I want the state to perish, not through violence or bloodshed, but by removing the mystical superstition from the minds of the general public that makes them believe that "government" is anything other than a gang of thugs with a fancy title."

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Feb 28, 2023·edited Feb 28, 2023Author

Manny is a tremendously wonderful human being and a friend. I adore Manny, he is brave, he loves people, and he speaks his mind.

I don't agree with the notion of the foundational goodness of any, in your words, 'statism," either. I think it's a lie. I think it's a foundational lie that is harming us all.

But we are here now, I don't have to agree with someone on everything in order to hold the person in a very high regard and respect their views. Who knows what I would be thinking if I didn't want my exact life path. I feel kindness about it, and I pray for the truth to prevail in the kindest way the soonest!

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Though I do not know him personally, I sense the same about him and I appreciate you describing him in such a loving way (acknowledging his good heart and courage).

Well said about not having to agree. We can still unify our efforts towards meaningful common goals without getting bogged down in differences of opinion about details. If transparency, love, courage, compassion and humility are guiding us, the rest is just unimportant details.

I also pray for the same and I appreciate your heartfelt comment Tessa :)

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Thank you, Gavin!!! I have a great appreciation of you and your work as well!! You toil for love, and it's very palpable. Hugs!!

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I will share another pertinent quote to drive home my point about the true nature of so called "democracies". It relates to the recent release of the farce of an Emergencies Act "Commission" report here in Canada.

"..Rouleau emphasized that he saw the "first and foremost" task of the commission to be "to foster public confidence."

To "foster public confidence" in what, exactly? In the government itself, presumably. In the rectitude of its actions. In the proportionality of its response to the perception of the threat posed by non-violent protesters. And in the process itself. "Don't worry, Canadians," Rouleau wishes to say. "The government has investigated itself and found itself guiltless."

..Of course, the beneficiaries are the erstwhile "lawgivers" who are in the positions of power to set the rules governing society simply by putting pen to paper. In other words, the "rule of law" that the masses clamber for is—in a society of statutory law—exposed as simply the law of rule: those who rule make the laws.

The stark reality of the situation is that our concept of law differs only superficially from that promulgated by the monarchs and tyrants of old: that law is whatever the sovereign declares it to be, whenever he declares it. The masses have been placated by the various Magna Cartas and Constitutions and Charters of Rights and Freedoms that have arisen in our modern liberal democracies, each purporting to put checks and balances on the right of the sovereign to act as a tyrant. Under "the rule of law," we are told, even the sovereign must obey the restrictions and limitations that have been legislated into existence to protect our basic rights and liberties.

But, as Rouleau correctly observes, these "checks and balances" are a mirage, and it is at times of declared emergency that "the rule of law" is revealed to be nothing more than the law of rule. A state of exception exists in every statutory law, a moment of aporia in which all the rules and restrictions on the sovereign can be jettisoned at a moment's notice based on the sovereign's own decree. In Canada, that state of exception currently takes the form of the Emergencies Act.

It is in the invocation of the Emergencies Act, then, that we can see the modern system of checks and balances on political power for what it is: mere words, not worth the paper they're written on."

(from "The Law of Rule" by James Corbett) https://www.corbettreport.com/the-law-of-rule/

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My anthem of the medical freedom movement is dedicated to Dr. Garcia. Watch the hit music video FOREVER FREEDOM BRIGADE. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/forever-freedom-brigade

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If you wanted purity of the health freedom movement, we would need discipline about the scientific method and challenge the root of this vaccine and medical corruption.

That's not going to happen, but at least we are realizing that jabs are not the well of life that they claim them to be.

We're moving in the right direction.

Make truth cool again.

I agree with Emmanuel Garcia on Desmet and he's also correct that we can have a lovely world. "The revolution will not be televised!"

https://plagueonbothhouses.com/were-we-hypnotised-by-desmet-part-i-where-does-his-argument-fall-apart/

This quote below is the reason why people hold onto lies instead of truth...

(From https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/alleged-cia-involvement-in-jfk-assassination-goes-mainstream-so-now-what/ )

"And then there is the psychological effect of the Big Lie which is axiomatic in gaslighting. The paradox here is that the bigger the lie, the harder it is for the mind to bridge the gulf between perceived reality and the lie that authority figures are painting as truth. I believe that the prospect of being deceived evinces a primitive emotional response on a par with staring death in the face. We are hard-wired to fear deception because we have evolved to interpret it as an existential threat. That’s why deception can elicit the same emotional response as the miscalculation of a serious physical threat. Lies told to us don’t always bear the same cost as a misjudged red light, but the primitive part of the brain can’t make this distinction and we rely on cerebral mediation for a more appropriate but delayed response. And in the long run, the lie is often just as dangerous as the physical threat. Many government whoppers – ‘safe and effective’ – do cost lives.

To avoid the death-like experience of being deceived, a mental defence is erected to deny that the lie is happening."

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